or Connect
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › Ski Training and Pro Forums › Ski Instruction & Coaching › Level 3 part 1 in March 2008?????
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Level 3 part 1 in March 2008?????

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
What do you think of this skiing? Any suggestions? Level 3 exam in March 08. RSB
post #2 of 10
Thread Starter 
I'll try that video again
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
post #4 of 10
Crotched Skier in my opinion you are not quite there yet.

You are still using upper body rotation and inside hip rotation as part of your turning power instead of rotation of the femurs in the hip sockets. Since you are not fully utilizing independent leg rotation, you end up needing to continue using rotation throughout the turn leaving you to far inside and in need of a big move to get the new turn started. I don't mean to throw water on you, you're a good strong skier but the level III exam is expensive and brutal.

You need to learn to project the new inside hip towards the new turn progressively using extension of the knee and hip joints and keep the inside hip up and ahead throughout the turn. This keeps the hips over the feet and open so that you can independently rotate the legs to guide the skis and have the ability to come back to a good strong neutral between turns.

These movement patterns are not the easiest things to put into your skiing and are in many cases, the last obstacles to the level III rung for many instructors. It is possible with the right coaching to put this into your skiing enough to pass level III by early March but that is a tall order.
post #5 of 10

If you have to ask, you are not ready


I had skiing that looked worse than that last year and was told there was no way I could pass without a full season of work to fix my issues. I passed (skiing only) 7 weeks later. Sometimes you need to acknowledge the truth, sometimes you just need encouragement and good coaching. It all depends on how much preparation you have done and what kind of coaching you have available. If you are ready to pass, you'll know the difference. The reason Pierre says no is that the majority of the failing candidates are in shoes similar to yours. They have not done enough preparation to be able to make subtle but very fundamental changes to their skiing quickly. We can't look at this clip and say for sure that you can't pass in March. But we can look at it and say that at least 8 out of 10 skiers we see who ski this way won't make it with only 4 more weeks of practice. My guess is that you know you are close.

I met many candidates last year who were great skiers (far better than this clip and far better than my own in many ways) who did not pass. The PSIA-E exam prep guide lists a bunch of drills as possible exercises on the exam. Candidates who have taken prep courses and asked the right questions understand that the skiing exam is more than those drills. But the drills are a big step towards passing. Candidates who know they will pass have discovered the difference between being able to do the drills and being able to easily do all of the drills. Once they are able to easily do all of the drills, they will own the movements that will let them pass the "unadvertised" (mind you that most of these are "d'uh" tasks like wedge turns, christies, open parallel/ GS turns/ easy and hard bump runs) tasks that make up the bulk of the exam and define the kind of skiing that examiners are looking for. Candidates with great looking skiing that relies on subtle cheating of some of the movement patterns will find that some of the exam drills are difficult to do and often fail for reasons they don't understand and often feel aren't fair. But the bottom line is that it if you don't own the movements, the results show up in the visual cues. That's what the examiners score on. Candidates who "own" the movements find that they pass the exam even when they have a "bad" day on snow.

If you want to make sure that you will pass the exam, you need to do more than just be able to ski good. Good skiing is just the starting point for beginning the preparation process. Mastering the drills is only the beginning of the process. That just eliminates the easy faults that automatically flunk you. Full preparation for the exam involves things like displaying pizazz in your turns (one of those things you know when you see it), mastering multiple methods for bump skiing, being ready for all conditions, knowing what the examiners are looking for in each task (pro and con), being able to put things in and take things out of your skiing at will and being able to ski "tasks" (hear it, see it, do it).

If you are already signed up for the exam, my advice is to do White Pass turns until your skis break but make sure you have someone who can tell you if you're doing them correctly. If you're thinking about signing up, my suggestion is to wait one more year, get at least two more prep clinics in (one of them preferably being pro jam) and beat the crap out of all the drills in the meantime.

I'll leave you with a scary thought. In part 2 of the PSIA-E level 3 exam (teaching and technical knowledge), every candidate is expected to make significant improvement in their fellow candidates skiing. As good as your skiing needs to be to pass part 1, there is still plenty of room to keep getting better.
post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 

This is cool. Instant feedback.

Thanks for the comments. I haven't signed up yet but I'll give it a try in March. I did go to a level 3 exam clinic a few weeks ago. The only task I couldn't do was the Converging Sequential Hop Turns. As a matter of fact I can hardly say it!! And I don't know if I could ever ski that task. Well, I bet I could but my two brain sides need to learn to work together. The examiner told me to go and take the exam. His comment was that " I would do very well". Thanks for your observations. I enjoy picking apart all the feedback and seeing if I can apply it to my skiing. Some of you guys seem to know what you are talking about. Is there a place on here where your credentials are listed? Thanks a lot.
post #7 of 10
Credentials? We don't need no ... uhh, wait ...
Try clicking on the epic ski instructor link in the upper left area of our posts (just under our user name). Not all instructors who post here also support the site and desire to get listed. Whether we're listed or not, you can always left click on the user name and get to a listing of all posts we've made. I believe that a posting history is much more informative than credentials. Hope this helps.

One good thing about taking an exam when you're not totally sure that you're ready is that you'll get a front row seat at seeing skiing that clearly passes, clearly does not pass and is borderline. It's a rare group that does not have this mix. Examiners for prep exams have been beaten senseless to neither offer "sure pass" or "not possible" comments. Sometimes a "go" comment is a subtle way of saying sure pass, other times it is just saying "you are close".
post #8 of 10
Originally Posted by therusty View Post
Examiners for prep exams have been beaten senseless to neither offer "sure pass" or "not possible" comments. Sometimes a "go" comment is a subtle way of saying sure pass, other times it is just saying "you are close".
Yeah that is why us "Too old to be examiner" types can actually offer what we really think. I would have liked real comments when I went for III.

Crotched Skier, if you want to go for it, go.
post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks again for the comments. It's great to see you guys with such an interest in skiing and ski technique. When I find the time I will definitely put up some more video.
post #10 of 10
Crotched Skier,

So, did you go? I just watched your video and your skiing looked like you would acquit yourself quite well in the exam, and if you don't pass, you will certainly find out what you need to do to pass the next time. If you don't pass, don't hesitate to ask them for specific things you need to do.

Like Pierre noted, I don't see enough turning of the legs under the body (read that turning of the femur in the hip socket). I also think that your skiing would improve if you were to concentrate on using a "strong inside half" to start your turn rather that what appears to be focusing on rolling onto the edges of your new "outside" ski. Doing this (and I know from my own experiences) results in a sequential movement of the legs, rather than a simultaneous movement.

Good luck.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ski Instruction & Coaching
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › Ski Training and Pro Forums › Ski Instruction & Coaching › Level 3 part 1 in March 2008?????