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Quick Review - Noridca Mach 3 Speed and Fisher Progressor

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
me -
200lb
5'11

I can make left and right turns on most runs at snowbird, sometime i can do them very well.

Skis -

Noridica Speed Machine Mach 3 Power Xbi 170cm sidecut 119-72-104 15meter sidecut

this skis rock if you rock, if you dont rock you get tons of chatter. Short raduis dynamic turns my have been my best i have made on any ski. Meduim raduis turns are way easy to carve in almost any type of terrain. Long raduis turns get kinda of sketchy with chatter no matter what. This ski like to be loaded up and skied hard, feathering them wasnt so suuccessful. Got knocked around pretty easily in crud compared to me PEs. but other than that great hard snow ski.

Fisher Rc4 Progressor 170cm 117-70-100 15 meter sidecut

I really wanted to like this ski, my trainer like me on it, but I felt like I had no stability off trail at all. On groomers it was way softer and easy to ski than the Nordica, I can make some veyr dynamic carved turns of any shape on these thing. This would be on my list of skis back east for sure. The problem is fishers are lively, not damp at all. Lively, short and turny dont mix so well with my long wide damp skis fetish. In the bumps though I felt as if the skis would just get thrown around, that I was bending the thing in half and that my turns were crap(they werent but they felt like crap). I am 200lb and pretty damn aggresive most other will be way happy with the 170cm lenght, for me i think 175cm or even 180cm would be much choice. this ski ski much shorter than the nordicas go longer than you would think if you weigh a good bit, and/or ski pretty dynamically.
post #2 of 16
Josh,

I definitely agree with you about liking damp wide skis that require some input to get them to turn. Especially this last week at the beav with the wind crust, followed by sun crust followed by spring conditions. And I think getting proper feedback is pretty key for skiing enjoyment. For me, often, less is more.

15m is IMO a pretty medium radius ski. And I haven't found many carving skis that work great for short, medium, and long turns. Thanks for the review.
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

Fisher Rc4 Progressor 170cm 117-70-100 15 meter sidecut

I really wanted to like this ski... ...I am 200lb and pretty damn aggresive most other will be way happy with the 170cm lenght, for me i think 175cm or even 180cm would be much choice. this ski ski much shorter than the nordicas go longer than you would think if you weigh a good bit, and/or ski pretty dynamically.
The 180 for sure, the a 170cm is too short in the Progressor for most good skiers heavier than 160 lbs. Try the Dynastar Contact 4X4 if you are looking for a better ski than either the Mach 3 or Progressor.

Michael
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
The 180 for sure, the a 170cm is too short in the Progressor for most good skiers heavier than 160 lbs. Try the Dynastar Contact 4X4 if you are looking for a better ski than either the Mach 3 or Progressor.

Michael
Do you like the Contact 4X4 better as an all mountain ski, or as a full-time groomer? How would it be as a beer league ski?
post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by youngsman View Post
Do you like the Contact 4X4 better as an all mountain ski, or as a full-time groomer? How would it be as a beer league ski?


I only had a few runs with the 4X4 in soft conditions, there is a review in this forum.

Michael
post #6 of 16
I agree with your findings, I'm similar in size and didn't like the Progressor in 175cm. I sold them and replaced them with the Nordica Mach 3 Powers in 170cm and like them much better. I have even found them to feather turns when skiing with my six year old at slow speeds. I'm very happy with them in every condition I've slkied them so far.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by Buckwild View Post
I agree with your findings, I'm similar in size and didn't like the Progressor in 175cm. I sold them and replaced them with the Nordica Mach 3 Powers in 170cm and like them much better. I have even found them to feather turns when skiing with my six year old at slow speeds. I'm very happy with them in every condition I've slkied them so far.
I think the Mach 3 Power skis are somewhat weight dependent. I couldn't flex them at all, both times I have tried them. However, I find the Progressor to be just about right for me. I skied the 175 today, and it was interesting contrast to the 170. A completely different ski, for sure, depending on the length. I think I prefer the 170, as it is more of a carver, and the 175 is too close to my GS skis.
post #8 of 16
I would like to try the Progressor in 180cm (I felt they were too soft), the only problem is they're a heavy feeling ski. This is also my only complaint with the Nordica Mach 3 Power, they're also heavy but not so bad in 170cm.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by Buckwild View Post
I would like to try the Progressor in 180cm (I felt they were too soft), the only problem is they're a heavy feeling ski. This is also my only complaint with the Nordica Mach 3 Power, they're also heavy but not so bad in 170cm.
They will probably feel more GS and less of a carver in that length, if that is what you are looking for. I skied the Progressors today, as well as the Worldcup RC in a 175, and have to say that the RC's had a magic on the hardpack that just wasn't present in the Progressors. and a stability. But, the Progressors turned at slow speeds, while the RC's want to move. Those Progressors are awfully versatile though: it is a tough decision!

I also skied the new 8+, and THAT is a great ski. Not comparable to the Mach 3 Power, but it will likely kill the RX8, as it is better in most respects. It matches up well with the Supershape, but feels more versatile, and also a bit higher performing. Perfect blend of dampness and energy. I skied it in some tight spaces and tough snow today, and came away very impressed.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
The 180 for sure, the a 170cm is too short in the Progressor for most good skiers heavier than 160 lbs. Try the Dynastar Contact 4X4 if you are looking for a better ski than either the Mach 3 or Progressor.

Michael
I must not be very good then cause i am 5'8" 195 and i ski the Progressor in a 165.
post #11 of 16

Fischer Product Selector Tool

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Originally Posted by TechWorlds View Post
I must not be very good then cause i am 5'8" 195 and i ski the Progressor in a 165.
Fischer website has an interesting product selector tool under their customer service drop down menu.

http://www.fischerskis.com/en/

Although I think they would be better off asking your weight as opposed to height and it would be nice if they let you select more than 1 terrain type, this tool works way better than the one on the Dynastar site which constantly says nothing meets your criteria. (IMO, not a good way to drive sales.)

IAC, they recommend 165 to 180 Progressor (among other things) for a 5' 8'' advanced/expert on piste male skier. Sometimes they only recommend a single size.

The most interesting thing to me is that the recommend the RX 8 Fire as all mountain, on piste and race ski, but only recommend the Progressor for on piste and race. As the Dynastar site proves, it is easy to mess up the programming for this software, but the Fischer site seems to come up with pretty reasonable choices in most cases.
post #12 of 16
I had a chance to ski the new Mach 3 Power yesterday, and it now has the XBi interface, and may have been tweaked some other way too. I skied it much better than previously (I have improved alot since the ESA Aspen, and am carving dynamically with better balance than previously), and it was a thrilling ride at speed, as long as the snow was relatively groomed, and I was not skiing statically. I have to say that it didn't feel as versatile as the Progressor (that Mach 3 is really stiff) and it wanted nothing to do with bumps, but boy was it a powerhouse on the groomers. I was impressed. The Progressor 9+ (same as current Progressor) isn't quite as powerful on the groomers, but easier in crud, and I can also ski bumps on it. The Mach 3 Power also lacked a bit of the energy I get out of the Progressor (probably because it is pretty stiff) but I can't say that I wouldn't own a Mach 3 Power given the right situation. I should add that the 170cm Progressor isn't as stable as the 170cm Mach 3 Carbon, but the 175cm Progressor is a huge increase in stability and an even match. But, it feels a bit more GS-like at that length, although it is a still a great carver, but a little more deliberate at the top of the turn.

The new 4x4 from Dynastar was no slouch as well, and maybe the best of the 3. Review to follow....
post #13 of 16
Having just returned from 3 days on the '09 stuff, I would say that the 4X4 was the standout in category.

About the others. Personally, I think that the M-3 power is too much of a good thing. Feathering a ski this stiff and with this much shape is a chore for me. I also found that a deliberate outside-in move was necessary at the turn finish to get the release when I wanted it. When I got that release.....smoley hokes!!!

Too much ski for me. For a more finnese oriented version, try the Mach 3 CARBON.

The Progressor feels like a pretty nice gee-essy ride to me but it's not exactly a short turn friendly ride.

SJ
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
little update after deming a 170cm Head SS and not liking at all, and spending another day on the 170cm Fisher Progressor I REALLY started to like that ski.

the second day out on them I could make any size turns on them very dynamically, and just felt as if I could do no harm. Edge hold on refreeze ice was better than the Mach 3 power, and Head SS. The ski is light, lively and really arcs many different turns include some spectacular short turns.

I have first Dibs on the demo pair I was on so in, a couple weeks I will have a carver again.

totally unrelated but in case you were wondering why I am demo skis like this I am taking my L3 skiing in April, and just got 'passed" in house for L3 by a certain national demo team coach
post #15 of 16
Rock on BW...good to hear you are well on the way to the full cert.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
long shot but does anyone have the 175cm or 180cm progressor around SLC at all?
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