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Prophet 100 on Groomers

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
i looked around for comments about this but i couldn't find anything specific
my question is how does the prophet 100 perform on groomers?
everyone loves the ski for powder and crud and i was wondering if it carves well. the radius is supposedly 16m which is great, but i've heard it's a little slow edge to edge. i live on the EC so i need something that can rip groomers and ice
any feedback is appreciated
thanks
post #2 of 15

Prophet 100

I bought P-100s(186) last fall.On a early Nov.trip to Big Sky,I skied
groomers with my wife on my AC4s.She knocks off at 2 PM.

I put on the Prophets for the groomed snow test.I put them up to speed,tipped and pressured the ski . Instant smile. The tip hooked up and held the turn even when I put a pretty good bend on the ski.

The snow was a soft groom.(not ice)
I also was concerned about edge to edge quickness,but this ski is very quick.

Good groomer performance + Great pow+ crud= Me,very happy!

Hope this is helpful.
post #3 of 15
If you are looking at a fat ski to carve you should take a close look at the Nordica Enforcers. They have a little more shape than the Prophets and are a little stiffer throughout. I ride a 185 as my everyday. Be cautious though, they are pretty stiff. My wife got the 169s and found them to be too much. I will likely be putting them up for sale here soon (red topsheet) for $250 if you are interested.
post #4 of 15
Not bad at all. I demoed them at Loveland on firm snow and they behaved just fine. Not like a dedicated hard-snow carver, of course, but they weren't squirrelly and held adequately.
post #5 of 15
What length do you recommend for the P-100s?  I am 5' 11" and weigh 185.
post #6 of 15
About same height and weight as me. I am going with 186.

I found contact length measurements posted by Castle Dave on an older thread that might help you decide:

Contact length is 148 for the 179 and 155 for the 186.
post #7 of 15
 they suck. SL skis are the only way to go on the east coast. 
post #8 of 15
 I'm 5'9 185lbs and have the the prophet in 172.  used them all over out west at Alta/snowbird, Jackson as well at Stowe, SugarBush, Hunter the past 2 sessions.  My opinion is they do a lot well but if you just stay on the EC they can be interesting ice.  As long as you keep your edges sharp they will handle it but it does take a little time to get use to them.  My biggest issue is beating them up skiing over rocks and tree runs.  I used to ski a pair of Volkl Star 6's for the EC but just got rid of them because the prophet was so much fun I just did not enjoy the Star 6 anymore. looking for something else to get for the EC that is more around the 80 to 90 waist.  Maybe the Volkl Wall or Bridge, Mojo not sure yet.  The prophet 100 has change skiing for me.  Once you get use to them you can ski anything but as stated there are better ice skies.  If you do get them watch out for core shots.  Had to get my professionally fixed 4 times but all of that happened out west. .  Personally my favorite ski ever........well so far...lol
Edited by dbmski - 1/29/10 at 5:12pm
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by dbmski View Post

 I'm 5'9 185lbs and have the the prophet in 172.  used them all over out west at Alta/snowbird, Jackson as well at Stowe, SugarBush, Hunter the past 2 sessions.  My opinion is they do a lot well but if you just stay on the EC they can be interesting ice.  As long as you keep your edges sharp they will handle it but it does take a little time to get use to them.  My biggest issue is beating them up skiing over rocks and tree runs.  I used to ski a pair of Volkl Star 6's for the EC but just got rid of them because the prophet was so much fun I just did not enjoy the Star 6 anymore. looking for something else to get for the EC that is more around the 80 to 90 waist.  Maybe the Volkl Wall or Bridge, Mojo not sure yet.  The prophet 100 has change skiing for me.  Once you get use to them you can ski anything but as stated there are better ice skies.  If you do get them watch out for core shots.  Had to get my professionally fixed 4 times but all of that happened out west. .  Personally my favorite ski ever........well so far...lol
I have skied them early season on Mt. Hood, and Tahoe. Both during lean coverage and not had any problems. They have a double thick base(at least on the 09/10's). If your getting core shots it may be the skier, not the ski.
post #10 of 15
 may be so.  It happened the very first time I took them out.  I put the smiley face there for a reason.  I'm sure im not the first person to get core shots at Snowbird or Jackson.  Now that they've been waxed a lot more I haven't had any this season and I've been over some pretty ruff stuff this year.     
post #11 of 15
 I am 5' 11" 160 lbs.  I have two western trips on my Prophet 100s this season.  I have the 186 length and really like the length.  With the thin coverage early this season I will need some base work done.  Love the skis.
post #12 of 15
I got mine as a Christmas present this year and could not wait for my trip out west or a big dump in the East. So I took them to Windham after 2-3". I was amazed at how well they handled the hard snow. Very little chatter and just very easy to ski.

I am 5'11" and weigh 190. I went for the 179 because I wanted a more maneuverable ski for tress.

I can't wait to ski them in conditions that they were made for.
post #13 of 15
I just bought the 100's last week after I demoed. This ski slays everything - rips groomers and holds it's own on the ice. It's by far the most fun I've ever had on skis. Demo a pair & I bet you end up buying them. I'm 5'10, 195 - & went for the 179's for more maneuverability. I demoed the 172's - they skied pretty short, but I was still ripping huge gs turns down the steeps with stability.
post #14 of 15
I loved my 172 P100's. I have outgrown the length, and i'm having a great time on my Bacon's. I'll definetely be picking up next years P100 for "icy" days out here.
post #15 of 15
I have  specific question for the Prophet 100s on groomers. Do they really "pop"?

I have been having years on fun on K2 Axis ModX (not pro) in 188 (those are 107-70-97, 16mm side). Me - 57, 5'11", 165. Mostly annual (Feb) week of skiing in SLC (adventure land at Alta and Bird). Ski most of the mountain, including as much as possible "modest" pow (tigertail, cirque, sth, catherines, wildcat, greely, etc), but not so much chutes, aggressive trees, bumps, and no park. The K2's have so much energy when on groomers that I can modulate them up to getting thrown around. Tried other mids and fats, and mostly they have been "dead". AC50s were close, but not enough rebound without major input. This season, I missed demoing the Prophet 100s at Alta, and now I'm sorry for the lost opportunity. I thought about going back for a few days in March, but I don't care for spring skiing in general (not enough adventure), and the trip would cost the same as 2 new pairs of skis. So I am thinking the unthinkable (for me) about buying skis without demoing first. Everyone seems to love the Prophet 100s, and they sound pretty perfect overall. But that one issue of rebound "pop" doesn't seem to be clearly discussed, probably because these aren't really meant for mainly groomer use. I'd really appreciate feedback on how much you need to load up these sticks to get them to throw you around...

I'm also deciding between 186 and 179, though I would almost certainly go with 186s unless I see consistent arguments against (not likely).

Much Thanks...
M

Edit: Pulled the trigger and ordered some Prophet 100s from REI based on ghostrider23233's info about the REI sale ($459 if you can find them). I 'xpect they will do what I want. And if not...I'll let folks know if I end up wanting to swap them out.
Edited by mgoodstuff - 3/15/10 at 10:28am
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