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Gotama's vs. Mantra's

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I'm buying a new big-mountain, powder-chowder ski.

My current everyday skis, are my Atomic M:EX's, 84 mm underfoot. I love these skis, and can ski almost anything in them.

But, for blower days, I want something bigger.

I'm divided between the 183 Gotamas, and the 184 Mantras.

The Gotamas are a bit bigger, and likely better suited to soft-snow conditions. But, I suspect the Mantra's may be more versatile - giving up some ground to the Gotama's in chowder, but better suited to a wider range of conditions (titanium reinforcement).

But, with my M:EX's at 84 mm, I wonder if I need the added versatility of the Mantras. Perhaps I'd be better served by the slighter superior deep-snow prowess of the Gotama.

Any thoughts? Suggestions?
post #2 of 12
I own both along with a Mythic Rider which is fairly similar in capabiities to your M-Ex. If it is shallow/soft, cruddy, or lumpy, I prefer the MR. If conditions are anything resembling deep(ish), I prefer the Goat. I find little use for the Mantra.

SJ
post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
I own both along with a Mythic Rider which is fairly similar in capabiities to your M-Ex. If it is shallow/soft, cruddy, or lumpy, I prefer the MR. If conditions are anything resembling deep(ish), I prefer the Goat. I find little use for the Mantra.

SJ
Jimbo: Thanks for the feedback. This confirms my gut feeling. I'm feeling to go with the Goats.
post #4 of 12
Sierrajim speaks the truth.

I also owned both.

The mantras are a great ski but the gotama are better at almost everything.

Mantra 1-10

Powder - 6 easy to get to float works good for most turns can kinda of smear

Bumps - 6 for its size its a good bump ski, but the stiffness and stiff tail can be issue for me

Crud - 8 ski is extremely damp, and the sidecut rails though crud of all types it was really better than the gotama in icey spring refreeze crud

Groomers - 7 ski does meduis raduis turn very well, short raduis turns just felt awkward, and long raduis high speed turns could produce tip chatter

Trees - 6 despite being quicker edge to edge the mantra lack of smear ability and stiff tail would leave me wanting me gotama or the PEs.

"Real" hardpack - 5 think spring refreeze, ski held an edge as well as a 94mm ski could but still lack the edge grip of a real carver.

Gotama

Powder - 8 ski is the best 105mm ski out there for powder, any turn shape, any speed and type of soft snow and it rocks.

Bumps - 7 softer flex and less sidecut mean its a pretty good bump ski, better than the mantra by a fair bit IMO

Crud - 7 not quite as good with the mantra going faster than the mantra was possiable due to less sidecut

groomers -7.5 less edge grip yes, but the ski could make more turns better on groomer than the mantra. Short turns were poppy and quick, long turns were more stable with no chatter, and GS carves were easy enough

trees - 8 floaty when you needed it, quick when you need and still able to pivot and super forgiving, it was an awesome tree ski.

"real" hardpack - 3 ski holds and edge on ice, but your not making dynamic turns

overall I think the gotama is better all around
post #5 of 12
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BWinPA:

Thanks for the detailed assessment.

That's a thorough breakdown and comparison, from someone who's a decent skier (so I've heard)

Between you and SierraJim, that's all I need.

I bought the Goat's this morning.
post #6 of 12
Captian:

Good move! I too ski the M:EX for almost everything and find it an incredicbly versatil ski. I think the M:EX and Goats will make a fantastic combination quiver. From what I can tell, despite the waist difference, the M:EX / Mantra have a lot of performance overlap.
post #7 of 12
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Captian:

Good move! I too ski the M:EX for almost everything and find it an incredicbly versatil ski. I think the M:EX and Goats will make a fantastic combination quiver. From what I can tell, despite the waist difference, the M:EX / Mantra have a lot of performance overlap.
Thanks for the comment.

I believe you're right. Although the M:EX isn't as wide as the Mantra, it's a wonderfully versatile ski that does everything well. I expect I'd prefer the M:EX's over the Mantra's for hardpack and moguls. Although my M:EX's wouldn't match Mantra's for float in the deep, they still surf reasonably well (anything up to about 10").

The Gotama's will give me a different look, with a lot more ballast.

Today we skied the left-over chowder today in Vail's back bowls (13" over the past 2 days). It was warm and the mank had set-up hard in some places.

Although I could manage on the M:EX's, the Goat's, would have demolished that hardened crud.

They're on the way, with Marker's 12.0 Freeride bindings. Hopefully, a good match.
post #8 of 12
Goats are produced in China. Main reason why one should not buy it! Völkl probably makes more money from selling a Goat than a Mantra..
post #9 of 12
Good decision. The Goats are the choice for any kind of new snow. Once you get the feel for them (shouldn't take long), you'll realize why people speak so highly of them.
post #10 of 12
Thread Starter 
I look forward to taking 'em for a spin.

A ski with as many accolades as the Goats have, can't be all bad.

Now, I just have to pray for deep snow. It's amazing how quickly 13" of fresh got tracked-out in the Vail's enormous back bowls.
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato View Post
Thanks for the comment.

I believe you're right. Although the M:EX isn't as wide as the Mantra, it's a wonderfully versatile ski that does everything well. I expect I'd prefer the M:EX's over the Mantra's for hardpack and moguls. Although my M:EX's wouldn't match Mantra's for float in the deep, they still surf reasonably well (anything up to about 10").
Two of the guys I ski with all the time are on Mantras, and they don't seem to be doing anything better than my M:EXs untill it gets to around 10" of new, but at that point I'm already on my Watea 101s, and the 10cmm waist difference gives the M:EXs an advantage on the hardpack and bumps. Plus, since they had been discontinued, the M:EXs were half the price of Mantras, even though they were originally $100 more full retail.
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
Two of the guys I ski with all the time are on Mantras, and they don't seem to be doing anything better than my M:EXs untill it gets to around 10" of new, but at that point I'm already on my Watea 101s, and the 10cmm waist difference gives the M:EXs an advantage on the hardpack and bumps. Plus, since they had been discontinued, the M:EXs were half the price of Mantras, even though they were originally $100 more full retail.
I agree.

The M:EX's are now a great deal. More than once, I've considered buying a second pair, to replace my current pair once they wear-out.

I can't imagine enjoying a mid-fat ski more than I do the M:EX's - freight-train solid yet still nimble.

Today I skiied them in the nastiest, hardened crud imaginable in China Bowl, and they were the perfect tool.
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