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post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Howdy all, need some recommendations so I can demo the right skis.

Me, old fart, advanced skier, skiing 37yrs.

Ski now on the following: Groomers-Fischer Race RC 170 cm love them

Off Piste powder to 6-8 in. crud etc. K2 Apache Outlaws 176

Powder Volkl Gotama 183.

Looking for: An off piste and groomer ski that has the following characteristics: Damp and steady and smooth like the K2 Outlaw but has a faster turn initiation and a little snappier turn. I really like the damp riding abilities of the Outlaw but miss the quick initiation of other skis but don't want to give up the great smooth ride of the Outlaw.

Is there a ski anyone can recommend that has the ride of the Outlaw but a little better initiation etc.

I ski just about anything, at times ski fast, ski in the trees a lot but still like to crank on the speed.

Thanks Pete
post #2 of 27
Have you tried the new K2 Crossfire?
post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 

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Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson View Post
Have you tried the new K2 Crossfire?
Do you have them? What are they like? I haven't tried.
post #4 of 27
Something in a Dynastar maybe?
post #5 of 27
Nordica Hot Rod Afterburner

Damp but not dead. Can make any type turn on them. I have them in 178. They don't turn as quickly as my SL race carvers, but they surprised me.
post #6 of 27
x2 for the Afterburners. I was really surprised by how responsive they handled. Seems to me that they are quite similar in specs to the Outlaw (though they are far more fun - to me - than a K2). If you weren't wanting to get rid of the K2s, what about something in between - Dynastar Contact 11s?
post #7 of 27
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Originally Posted by Alberto View Post
Dynastar Contact 11s?
Ditto, now known as the Contact Limited.

See: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=51234 & http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=48768

These can replace your WC RC's & K2's IMO.

Michael
post #8 of 27
I'm running a three ski quiver similar to yours. RX8, Afterburners, and Elan 999. I'll go x3 on the Afterburners. They get about 60% of my days.

Steve
post #9 of 27
x4 for Afterburners. Great ski, damp, yet lively.
post #10 of 27
Regarding the K2 Crossfire, Pete asked:

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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
Do you have them? What are they like? I haven't tried.
I haven't skied the Outlaw, but the 2008 Crossfire is more stable and predictable than the earlier versions. A vertical sidewall helped stiffen the ski to improve edge bite, changes in the perforations in the metal and extension of the damping structure, along with a tiny increase in width improved tip performance in cut-up stuff. Skis very much like a quicker Recon. My understanding of the Outlaw is it's like a fatter Recon.
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post

Looking for: An off piste and groomer ski that has the following characteristics: Damp and steady and smooth like the K2 Outlaw but has a faster turn initiation and a little snappier turn. I really like the damp riding abilities of the Outlaw but miss the quick initiation of other skis but don't want to give up the great smooth ride of the Outlaw.
I think that the Crossfire is the best ski that K2 has built in some time but it is more or less in a similar niche to your Fischers and I don't think it fits the part of your criteria that I highlighted.

I'd narrow the search to the following two models.

Afterburner........it's already all been said.
Sollie XW-Fury......Quite solid, a bit shapier and snappier than the AB, not quite as damp.

SJ
post #12 of 27
Thread Starter 

skis

Thanks everbody. Will try the Crossfires and the Afterburners and the others mentioned. Thanks for the recommendations. Haven't skied in 2 weeks and wife had back surgery and I am home cooking etc., weather turned warm up here and it rained last night, sure hope it didn't up on the mountain s. Thanks for help. Pete
post #13 of 27
Check out the Stockli line. :
post #14 of 27
Pete, saw your WTB on the Afterburners. Did you get a demo or just decide to go for it?

Steve
post #15 of 27
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by stevesmith7 View Post
Pete, saw your WTB on the Afterburners. Did you get a demo or just decide to go for it?

Steve
Just thought if the price was right I'd buy them. Demoing up here a pain in the posterior. Local shops and resorts don't have Nordica demo's.
post #16 of 27
I was able to get 06 leftovers before the season started for $400. Probably one of my better ski deals although they are less expensive than a lot of others. Come to CO and you can try mine.
post #17 of 27
Public Enemy will out preform the crossfire everywhere. Its a way stronger ski, tons of snap, right amount of dampness, yet still pretty forgiving as long as your progressively move with the ski and dont 'park and ride".

SJ IMO the PE is the best skis that k2 has ever made, and havent meant anyone that hasnt like them(after skiing them), heck even my technical trainer tried mine today and said is was the best twin he had ever skied. Its just get shunned due to its imagine and twin tip.

Peter try the 179cm Pe mounted it +2 or +3 from the rear most line and if you like the gotama you will be in bliss.

K2s non factory team skis are too dead, to those K2 hater try the twin stuff which are much better allmountain skis than the apache shittiness line.

plus 236 for skis and about 100 for look binding you just halfed the price of every other ski mentioned in this thread.
post #18 of 27
Thread Starter 

Skis

thanks everyone. Demo'd the Crossfires, PE and Afterburners Wed and Thurs.

Liked the Afterburners best. Your descriptions were good and very accurate. I was really suprised as to how well it performed. Skied wide open 8 " powder some new line and some beat up stuff, moguls, trees and groomers. really liked this ski it performed exceptionally well and surpassed my expectations.

As I stated was looking for the stability of my Outlaws but quicker turn initiation without giving up the great ride. The Afterburners (skied 178's) did just this. Skied some really good tree runs off piste at my local hill and was skiing the trees better than ever.


THANKS EVERYONE - Now the important part - Anyone want to donate $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$ ?
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
Public Enemy will out preform the crossfire everywhere. Its a way stronger ski, tons of snap, right amount of dampness, yet still pretty forgiving as long as your progressively move with the ski and dont 'park and ride".

SJ IMO the PE is the best skis that k2 has ever made, and havent meant anyone that hasnt like them(after skiing them).......
Bushie:

I don't disagree too much with your assesment of the PE as long as it is kept within context. However, comparing it to the CF is just apples and oranges. I skied the ('09) Wednesday, and while good, it was not the best all mountain twin that I skied that day nor was it the best 85mm AM ski that I skied that day. It was however, very very good (skied the 179) and without question is a great buy.

But when compared to the CF it is too different to really say it outskis the CF. The CF is better at almost everything one would buy a 70mm carver for. (Edge grip, directional stability, dampening, turn finish) Naturally, the PE is better at everything one would buy an ~~ 85mm twip for.

Most K2's are not my personal faves. However, the CF is the best effort they have made in the Apache group in some time. It is still far from my fave within category.

These comments Re: the CF are relevant only to the '07-'08 and '08-'09 version. The previous ones were not the same caliber of ski.

SJ
post #20 of 27
To the OP, glad you found your ski.


The biggest problem with the PE is that they only make it in a 179. Its a good length but considering that everyone I know skis it in the longest length available, I think that tells you how screwed up their sizing scheme is. I definitely have others that I like better for every day use, but the PE is a very versatile ski and for front side use (groomers and bumps) it goes really well. Its a very decent pow ski too.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
thanks everyone. Demo'd the Crossfires, PE and Afterburners Wed and Thurs.

Liked the Afterburners best. Your descriptions were good and very accurate. I was really suprised as to how well it performed. Skied wide open 8 " powder some new line and some beat up stuff, moguls, trees and groomers. really liked this ski it performed exceptionally well and surpassed my expectations.

As I stated was looking for the stability of my Outlaws but quicker turn initiation without giving up the great ride. The Afterburners (skied 178's) did just this. Skied some really good tree runs off piste at my local hill and was skiing the trees better than ever.


THANKS EVERYONE - Now the important part - Anyone want to donate $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$ ?

End of last season there were deals on ABs. Might be too early or maybe the word is finally out on this ski. Time will tell. Glad you liked them.
post #22 of 27
You should also try the Icelantic Pilgrim and Nomad.
They have a relatively short radius great torsional stiffness.
post #23 of 27
Glad the ski performed as described. Hope you find a great deal, Pete!
post #24 of 27
Thread Starter 

Afterburners

Thanks everyone, got some demo's for a good price, in perfect condition, 178 cm. thanks for the recommendation, really liked/like this ski. If I can get to Big Sky ESA I will be on them.
post #25 of 27
Pete, FWIW, I demoed the Afterburners and thought they rocked.

Glad you found what you're looking for, now you just need a ski diva sticker to put on them.


Bushwacker, dude, your assessment of the PE is greawt, but I'm betting that Pete's skiing style is considerably different than yours, and we all know that personal input and style has a lot to do with what ski is The Bestest Ever!!!
post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

Bushwacker, dude, your assessment of the PE is greawt, but I'm betting that Pete's skiing style is considerably different than yours, and we all know that personal input and style has a lot to do with what ski is The Bestest Ever!!!
Not really.

The Best Ski Ever hasn't been made yet, when it is made it will have Reverse Camber, Reverse Sidecut, a base that is like a tank track and missles mounted on the top sheet (for when it's crowded). It's also gonna be RED, 'cause RED skis are fast.
post #27 of 27
Thread Starter 

Ab

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Not really.

The Best Ski Ever hasn't been made yet, when it is made it will have Reverse Camber, Reverse Sidecut, a base that is like a tank track and missles mounted on the top sheet (for when it's crowded). It's also gonna be RED, 'cause RED skis are fast.
Blood Red - I'm sure !! Watch out for the missiles. Great post!!!!!
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