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THE TOP 10 DOUBLE-DIAMOND RUNS OF NORTH AMERICA (some of these are a joke)

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Below is a list of the top 10 Double-black runs in north america.. I've done 2 of them and both I consider a joke..

Outer Limits and Palisades...

1)Outer Limits - you have to be kidding me, Quail Face at homewood, ca is a harder run.. I did this run in my 3rd season of skiing..the moguls on it were the only challenge..

2) Palisades - ok, the only reason why I say that palisades is a joke is because you can cheat it.. You can easily get down Palisades without taking a leap off of any of the rocks. YES if you do take the leap then it's a hell of a challenge, but otherwise it's cake..especially in powder..


those are the only one's I've done, I plan on doing Key Hole at alpine this year, and hopefully one of the two at jackson hole..alta chute or corbets (if I have the guts ) I'll keep you guys posted..


What are your personal experiences ??


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THE TOP 10 DOUBLE-DIAMOND RUNS OF NORTH AMERICA

1. Alta Zero—Jackson Hole Mountain Resort, Wyo.
Among Jackson Hole’s pantheon of double-diamond ski runs, Alta Zero continually came up with the polled skiers as the Wyoming resort’s best steep shot.

2. Two Smokes—Silverton Mountain, Colo.
This super-steep, doglegged chute pinches down to less than 6 feet wide at one point.

3. Climax—Whistler Blackcomb Resort, British Colombia
In the alpine cirque just below Blackcomb Peak, several precipitous chutes flank a feature called Chainsaw Ridge. The most difficult chute, according to Eric Pehota, a professional skier, is Climax.

4. Keyhole—Alpine Meadows, Calif.
Moguls, cliffs and exposed rocks on a near-vertical plane of snow makes Keyhole among the toughest runs in the Lake Tahoe region.

5. Corbet’s Couloir—Jackson Hole Mountain Resort, Wyo.
Probably the most well-known double-diamond run in the world, Corbet’s Couloir starts with a mandatory air-in, which means you must jump off a large cornice just to get on the run below.

6. Avalanche Bowl to Zoom—Loveland Ski Area, Colo.
This is one of the steepest runs in Colorado, said Chad Jackson, a videographer with ski-film company Teton Gravity Research.

7. Goat—Stowe Mountain Resort, Vt.
Considered among the toughest runs in New England, Goat tumbles for nearly three-quarters of a mile, reaching 36 degrees steep and featuring bumps as large as a VW Bug.

8. The Palisades—Squaw Valley USA, Calif.
Guarding the summit of 8,900-foot Squaw Peak, the Palisades are a cliff formation fluted with semi-skiable chutes, many of which end in death-defying leaps over dark granite cliff faces.

9. Outer Limits—Killington Resort, Vt.
Gregory Ditrinco, executive editor of Ski magazine, calls Outer Limits a classic, old-school mogul run. “It’s long and relentless, and steep, so it physically beats you up,” he said.

10. Mak-M-Stairs-Plunge—Telluride, Colo.
This unending bump run is actually a combination of three different runs that drop from a 11,890-foot peak, forming a penultimate leg-burner, with giant moguls and a consistently unforgiving pitch.
post #2 of 29
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Originally Posted by Xtremity View Post
10. Mak-M-Stairs-Plunge—Telluride, Colo.
This unending bump run is actually a combination of three different runs that drop from a 11,890-foot peak, forming a penultimate leg-burner, with giant moguls and a consistently unforgiving pitch.
OK, if this run is the penultimate then which one is the ultimate? How do you have a "next-to-last" leg-burner?
post #3 of 29
That list is silly. There are 2 East Coast runs on there and only one from British Columbia. That my friend is akin to political pandering.
post #4 of 29
I've only done Outer Limits from that list. I'll agree that the only challenge there was the moguls.
post #5 of 29
Only Corbets. Never skied any of the other places. Which one is Alta Zero anyway - it's not on the map? The Alta chutes are just a big rock wall.
post #6 of 29
I think I skied Alta Chutes 2 and 3. I think the two most obvious lines are Chutes 1 and 2. I assume Chute #0 would be skier's left of #1? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I only was at JH for a couple of ski week vacations back in the nineties. Alta Chute #2 is easily the scariest run I ever skied.
post #7 of 29
PSsshaawww

Any list of double blacks that doesn't contain a run at Vail is obviously flawed.....Vail is the best resort in North America
post #8 of 29
If it's in bounds and not guarded by a rope or a sign that says "Warning Cliff", how scary can it be.
post #9 of 29
The main Alta Chutes do have "Warning Cliff" signs.
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
The main Alta Chutes do have "Warning Cliff" signs.
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post #11 of 29
Alta 0 is pretty bad ass skied it last year in hard pack spring conditions really scared about falling when i did so...

Alta Negative make alta 0 look like a bunny run though.
post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by Posaune View Post
OK, if this run is the penultimate then which one is the ultimate? How do you have a "next-to-last" leg-burner?
I guess it must be number 9..."a classic, old-school mogul run"...
post #13 of 29
Corbets is by far the best known. I lived in JH winters 71-77 and back then there were double diamonds, but Corbets and Alta's were a yellow and orange diamond which was one step more difficult. 74 I did Corbets on a Sit-Ski if any of you old guys remember. Capt.Video recorded that run.
post #14 of 29
Maybe someday you can go back and do it standing up.



Haha, just kidding. Welcome to Epicski, northernmi. I'd like to see that video!
post #15 of 29
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PSsshaawww

Any list of double blacks that doesn't contain a run at Vail is obviously flawed.....Vail is the best resort in North America
Hmmm...that would be an opinion. Vail is by far not the hardest place. Many resorts have much more legendary runs, ex. Jackson Hole.

I would throw runs in there from Snowbird and Alta too.

By the way, Go Dawgs!
post #16 of 29
The Gullies at Big Sky not listed? Hmmm.
post #17 of 29
This thread is really useless!
post #18 of 29
OK, I like about half of these. What bout Taos?, Alyeska? I'm thinking the source (Forbes) factors in overall skiability and isn't listing anything that could be considered really dangerous. I bet a Ski, Skiing or Powder would have a comletely different list...
post #19 of 29
Hmm, I've got some work to do. I've only done a few of these runs. But to state the obvious: it's one cheesy list that lumps together Corbet's Couloir (which scared the crap out of me) and Goat (which is a nice steep Eastern run, but hardly fall/die terrain).
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by prickly View Post
Hmm, I've got some work to do. I've only done a few of these runs. But to state the obvious: it's one cheesy list that lumps together Corbet's Couloir (which scared the crap out of me) and Goat (which is a nice steep Eastern run, but hardly fall/die terrain).
The leap off the top of Corbet's is scary but I would hardly classify it as fall/die terrain although it could possibly happen if you slam into the rock wall the wrong way. IF (big IF) Goat had a similar leap off the top it would be a far tougher run top to bottom than Corbet's.
post #21 of 29
Tower Three and Paintbrush @ JH are two great "entry level" black diamond runs.

Tower Three is looking better (wider & softer) than I have seen it in years.
post #22 of 29
after skiing Sunshine Village a few weeks ago I think Delirium Dive and Wild West should be on there.

I asked a ski patrol how to do Wild West and she told me I needed ropes.
post #23 of 29
Has any1 done Two Smokes at Silverton? Sounds hard from the description.

That list sucks though. No east runs should be on there!
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post #25 of 29
Let's see. Off the list, I've skied: Alta Chutes (not sure if I've skied #0 though) - they are steep, narrow and fun). Corbets - always scared the piss out of me with the mandatory air entrance and walls on the sides. Keyhole - lots of fun. Usually just the first 4-5 turns are hairy. Once you get past the small rock band its pretty straightforward. This year so much snow has blown in there that it almost looks tame. Goat - really? Its bumpy and narrow and last I was there it didn't have any snowmaking, but not sure why it belongs on this list. Which is also true of Outer Limits. Its a great run, with sometimes huge bumps. But its not that hard. Palisades - well, I've only sorta skied this. Not the air parts. I'm too old for that crap these days. Of those listed here that I've skied/seen, I guess I'd put Corbet's and Palisades near the top, with Keyhole and Alta Chutes just below.

Either way its just mental masturbation. Go ski them yourself and decide.
post #26 of 29
Did anyone ever went doing the Charlevoix at Le Massif in Quebec, not that terrible except for that 300 footish steep which is 45 degress and as shiny as an ice hockey rink. (try it form the "b" entrance)
post #27 of 29
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That list is silly. There are 2 East Coast runs on there and only one from British Columbia. That my friend is akin to political pandering.
Amen. I stopped reading after I saw "VT".
post #28 of 29
For me, Outer Limits was a lot harder to ski than the Alta Chutes I sampled. Although I've skied bumps a lot more than steeps, they are still more difficult.
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
For me, Outer Limits was a lot harder to ski than the Alta Chutes I sampled. Although I've skied bumps a lot more than steeps, they are still more difficult.
Without taking sides on what's more difficult, I will say that steeps are more dangerous than bumps. Which is why I sometimes find bumps to be more fun.
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