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Boot with MAX cant adjustment?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
A few years ago when I took up the sport, I found a pair of Solomon Eclipse 9.0 (27.5) that fit well, at least the foot shape/cuff was comfortable after a day of snowplows !

However, I need a boot that has a lot of cant adjustment (and is still comfortable). I have toyed with the idea of butchering the Eclipse shaft, but what I'm hearing is they are not that great to begin with.

I am a novice recreational ( I think that would be a #1 rating ), 170# - 5' 10".

Could you recommend a boot that fits similar to the Eclipse, has bigger cant adjustment, and would work in an intermediate level environment?
post #2 of 12
do you want max canting, or upper cuff alignment?


CANT (1)The angle of boot bottom with ski viewed from the front. (2) The lateral angle of the boot in relation to the ski; often confused with cuff-alignment (the adjustment of cuff angle). Boots can be canted inward or outward, usually by grinding the sole at an angle, to give a skier better access to all four ski edges.


SHAFT ALIGNMENT The lateral orientation of the cuff in relation to the lower shell; usually adjustable on at least one side of the cuff, so that the cuff can be angled to match the angle of the skier’s lower leg when standing.

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=58063


if it is cuff alignment that you want maxed, I've had to re-drill an upper cuff 2cm higher on the outside rivet, to accommodate a leg before.

canting is usually maxed at 5'deg, (I think?)

also this is assuming that the shell fit is right, and you have the right footbeds
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post #3 of 12
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post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
do you want max canting, or upper cuff alignment?


CANT (1)The angle of boot bottom with ski viewed from the front. (2) The lateral angle of the boot in relation to the ski; often confused with cuff-alignment (the adjustment of cuff angle). Boots can be canted inward or outward, usually by grinding the sole at an angle, to give a skier better access to all four ski edges.


SHAFT ALIGNMENT The lateral orientation of the cuff in relation to the lower shell; usually adjustable on at least one side of the cuff, so that the cuff can be angled to match the angle of the skier’s lower leg when standing.

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=58063


if it is cuff alignment that you want maxed, I've had to re-drill an upper cuff 2cm higher on the outside rivet, to accommodate a leg before.

canting is usually maxed at 5'deg, (I think?)

also this is assuming that the shell fit is right, and you have the right footbeds
.

I am referring to the CANT adjustment, i.e. lateral, and I think on my Eclipse, the cant adjustment is limited to maybe 1/2 to 1 degree. I could drill a different locating hole, but since these boots don't have the blessing of fellow Epic experts, I was considering buying something else. I'm a recreational novice level.
post #5 of 12
Does it say "cant" on the side of the boot around the ankle area with a screw or cap screw in the center of it. If it does, then the boot is misleading you into thinking that this is a "cant" adjustment when in turn it is a "shaft alignment" adjustment. It's all backwards.
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by cantman View Post
Does it say "cant" on the side of the boot around the ankle area with a screw or cap screw in the center of it. If it does, then the boot is misleading you into thinking that this is a "cant" adjustment when in turn it is a "shaft alignment" adjustment. It's all backwards.
Interesting..... It is on the side as you described, but I thought lateral (side-to-side) WAS cant adjustment.

I have bowed tibias, so isn't the correction a cant adj. ?
post #7 of 12
Quote:
CANT (1)The angle of boot bottom with ski viewed from the front. (2) The lateral angle of the boot in relation to the ski; often confused with cuff-alignment (the adjustment of cuff angle). Boots can be canted inward or outward, usually by grinding the sole at an angle, to give a skier better access to all four ski edges.


SHAFT ALIGNMENT The lateral orientation of the cuff in relation to the lower shell; usually adjustable on at least one side of the cuff, so that the cuff can be angled to match the angle of the skier’s lower leg when standing.
Re-read mtnlion's description. What you are referring to is "shaft alignment"

Your "bowed" legs probable need a combination of both...canting plus shaft alignment.

Have your alignment assessed by a recommended bootfitter.
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cantman View Post
Re-read mtnlion's description. What you are referring to is "shaft alignment"

Your "bowed" legs probable need a combination of both...canting plus shaft alignment.

Have your alignment assessed by a recommended bootfitter.
Yes, few years back. He said that the "cant" adjustment on the Eclipse was just there for show, and offered no real amount of adjustment. Suggested cant strips or boot sole machining. Took something like 3* to get the middle of knee to line up properly.
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Slight bump here....

Could you expain the difference in shaft alignment and canting?

Which is my case, and what would the suggested procedure be?
post #10 of 12
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Could you expain the difference in shaft alignment and canting?
Shaft alignment adjusts the upper cuff of the boot to the skiers lower leg physiology and in essence matches the angle of the lower leg to the boot.
(this adjustment is located on the side (s) of the boot by the ankle area, usually consisting of a screw with a machined or molded indicator)

Canting then takes the leg and the boot and positions the center of the mass of the knee joint over a selected point on the boot/foot to allow for ease of turn initiation, symmetry, and consistancy.
(canting is adjusted by planing the boot sole or by shimming the binding medially/laterally)

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Which is my case, and what would the suggested procedure be?
Always adjust the shaft alignment first.

I would suggest being evaluated by a recommended bootfitter for maximum results.
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
[quote=cantman;859171]
Shaft alignment adjusts the upper cuff of the boot to the skiers lower leg physiology and in essence matches the angle of the lower leg to the boot.
(this adjustment is located on the side (s) of the boot by the ankle area, usually consisting of a screw with a machined or molded indicator)

Always adjust the shaft alignment first.
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Great info, thanks!

I know that canting is measured by plumbing the center of the knee to the center of the boot (foot), but how is shaft alignment measured and accomplished? The adjustment screw on the boot side that is named "cant adjustment" is minimal, hence the title of the OP! (BTW, I was measured for CANT several years ago by a Cert. bootfitter, but didn't talk about shaft alignment per. se.)
post #12 of 12
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I know that canting is measured by plumbing the center of the knee to the center of the boot (foot), but how is shaft alignment measured and accomplished?
Shaft alignment is adjusted by centering the lower boot cuff to lower leg anatomy. Symmetry between lower leg and upper boot cuff is what we're shooting for.

You will not be able to assess the shaft alignment and lock it in without assistance.
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