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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hey guys,

I'm 6'3, 170, Male USSA n some FIS racer. Points are around 150 in GS and SL.

I currently ski on Atomic SL 12's and LT 12's because supposedly i wasnt heavy enough for GS 12's at time of purchase.

Curious as to what you guys with some racing knowledge know about differences between Atomic, Volkl, Rossignol, and Nordica---all potential boards.

As a footnote i will have to use the same brand for GS n SL

Thanks
post #2 of 17
Post this in the Race forum too.
post #3 of 17
Follow Bode and Cuche.
post #4 of 17
Unless I've missed something, Head wasn't on his list. I suspect that the significance of the list is that those are the companies with programs that offer to sponsor him in the form of free (or at least really cheap) skis.

It would also be somewhat bizarre to pick GS and SL skis for a USSA/FIS ENL racer based on the success of the brand's DH skis for World Cup racers.
post #5 of 17
The good thing about following Bode is that then you can choose from K2, Fischer, Rossignol, Atomic or Head. Quite a selection, actually.
post #6 of 17
I would suggest Volkl Racetiger GS Racestock since you are an FIS racer at some points. Volkl are a bit expensive but are some of the top quality skis on the market today. Volkl are very responsive and are fun to ski.
Greg
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
Sjjohnston is right about the cheap part : )


Hip, any more input about the Volkls?
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
The good thing about following Bode is that then you can choose from K2, Fischer, Rossignol, Atomic or Head. Quite a selection, actually.
...and Nordica boots. :
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by Fish33 View Post
Sjjohnston is right about the cheap part : )


Hip, any more input about the Volkls?
The Volkl slaloms are insane. Very lively ski, razors on ice.

As for Rossis, they kinda feel dead, even when tuned.
post #10 of 17
There is no reason (at your size and points level) to not ski on legal skis. For USSA this means at least a 180 GS ski (although I'd go to 185) and a 165 slalom. Next season we will probably see radius rules enforced for GS at the USSA level.

Now... as for brand - it is all up to you. Pretty much any manufacturer you choose is going to build a great race stock ski. Your decision will come down to how you prefer the skis to feel when you're on them and if there are certain qualities you value in a ski over others. No one else can make that decision for you really, although if you were to cite some specific qualities that you like in race skis, others may be able to steer you in a direction that would potentially deliver the feel you are looking for.

Here is my quick feelings on each of the brands you mentioned:

Atomic: SL is stout, smooth, and edgy feeling, but not hooky. It offers powerful gradual rebound versus quick lively rebound. GS is very smooth and also edgy feeling - very powerful feeling (assuming the black plate ski). In general Atomics of the past have always felt very different to me than a tranditional sandwich race ski. I haven't skied on the newer non-beta GS skis though, so they may have a different feel these days.

Nordica: Nordicas are very damp and very beefy feeling. The SL skis like a GS ski - seriously it does. They are very stiff skis also (both SL and GS). The SL offers good rebound and powerful edgehold. Out of every SL I have skied - this one is best in ruts and rough snow. They are just really beefy feeling skis. The GS is no different. Astonishingly, the GS in a 186 is quick edge to edge (as in the 181). I have not encountered many situations that I can't handle on the 186 ski though (in terms of course tightness). The rebound on the GS and SL isn't anything to write home about, but it is there (not like skiing a Rossi or Dynastar where there is no rebound).

Rossigonl: GS is smoooooooooooooth and soft. They don't offer feedback, but if you're looking to make quick turns these might be your ticket. Rebound is almost nonexistent, but they are one of the most effortless GS skis out there. The SL has gone through some changes, although still maintains similar qualities as the GS - although it is much stiffer in recent years. I don't know if the newest GS variants have followed the stiffening trend that the SL went through. I do notice a lot less lighter racers on Rossis this year than I have seen in the past.

Volkl: I don't like Volkls. I try not to ski on them. In my opinion they are mediocre at just about everything and don't have any defining qualities - good or bad. I will say however that they tend to run softer (feel spongy after skiing on stiffer ski that are out there) than other brands (such as Nordica) and are a good alternative to choosing rossignol if you like a tame ski but actually want to feel like you are skiing on something (Rossis tend to be rediculously damp, borderline lifeless). Given your stats these might be good skis for you to consider. They may not "wow" you, but I would be surprised if they let you down because they were lacking something. Good skis - just not my personal preference.

I tend to be a Fischer and Nordica guy.

Later

Greg
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks Heluva... that post was exactly was i looking for!!

yea...of course i'll be on legal skis....shoulda put that in the top but i was just looking for a basic in general idea of waht the differences are

Thanks man!
post #12 of 17
Just few coments about what heluva said.

Did atomic ever use beta skis in world cup competition?

I thought that they were only meant to look the same, but i always thought the skis that herman maier and others took of in the finish area. were flay sandwich skis.

VOLKLS lifeless hmmm weird
anyway great sig at the bottom of page
post #13 of 17
I agree, Nordica skis are slightly superior to Volkl, however, the 400+ more price tag probably makes up for it. Volkl are very lively skis with lots of feedback.
I only ski Volkl. I have a pair of Supersport 6 stars and a pair of Racetiger GS Titanium (which is the none FIS legal, motion binding ski.)
Greg
post #14 of 17
Energyrail.

Yes in Slalom
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by energyrail View Post
Did atomic ever use beta skis in world cup competition?
SL and GS until about 2005 - then the "cap-like" GS that you see now became the main construction. SL is still a form of Beta I believe.
post #16 of 17
I swear by Volkl. I'm skiing on 07 GS 185s and SL 165s and I can't rave enough about them. They both have a similar feel, lighter than an Atomic and easier to throw around, yet smooth and grippy. For the GS, I would say the greatest asset is the way they initiate turns, easily rolling onto edge. They're not the stiffest ski out there but will still hold you when you get going. The slaloms are grippy and lively. For me, I would say that they respond more to a skier's input than, say, the Atomic tank of a slalom ski, which, to me, really wants to ski a clean line, something that's not always an option. But my friend who skis on Atomics finds my Volkl stuff too light. In GS, I'm faster than I've ever been and skiing with more confidence.

Just for reference, I'm about your weight, several inches shorter, and a 22 year old coach and university racer.

Anyway, my advice would be to try other people's stuff. It has taken me a long time to find GS skis I actually like after skiing on older Volkl P60s (crap), Salomons with the wider tail and Rossi 185 and 189. I'm pretty sure you'll make anything you buy work for you but the best is to try stuff.
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
I'm hoping to try stuff at mount hood...probably won't get a chance to try other people's stuff------343mm boots are kinda bigger than everyones haha
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