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179 Fat Bro Stiff Flex - with marker Duke Bindings

post #1 of 13
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the skis


what Pmgear has to say
DIMENSIONS: 141-114- 131 (tip-waist-tail in mm)

LENGTH: 179

TURN RADIUS: 32 m (179)

CONSTRUCTION:
Super light laminated aspen cores
1.8 millimeter Rockwell 48 edges
ABS sidewalls
2 layers of anti-vibration, dampening rubber
22 oz. triaxial fiberglass weave
1.8 millimeter sintered base
2.5 millimeter camber
Semi-twin tail with full edge wrap
Handmade in limited quantities
Two flexes to choose from (see below).

Bro Model 179 FAT

The 179 FAT Bro Model (141-114- 131) is the obese version of our popular 179 Bro Model. We beefed the dimensions outward to feed popular demand for a truly fat Bro. The radius is still 32 meters, as we wanted to maintain that perfect sidecut that performs so awesomely on the original 179s. True to our beliefs that you don’t need five skis to have a good time in all conditions, we made a powder-specific ski that will still ski hardpack while functioning as a dedicated powder/crud ski while maintaining as much of the one-ski quiver characteristics Bros are known for in this wide platform .

Like it’s thinner 179 counterpart, it’s a powder ski, a tree ski, a tele ski, and an alpine ski. We make the 179 Fat in two flexes to accommodate the varying needs and desires of our customers. The softs are much more powder-specific. The stiffs are for skiers who want girth in a ski that will carve through hardpack and chunk. The 179 Fat will carve any radius turn in all conditions, smear and skid when it gets tight, still allow you to skin the backcountry all day as if you were in your bedroom slippers. The wide body will make powder skiing as easy as it gets while getting you through the groomers and back to the lift with controlled edging and carves

me
5'11 200lb
Level 9
prefers offpiste, and tighter places
Dablello Kryptons Set up with Stiff tongue, and one stiff plug.
Skis Liked - Volkl Gotamas, K2 PE, Elan Ripstix, wood core sidewall skis in general
Skis Disliked - really short skis, freeride skis that tip dive in powder, skis that have a really stiff tail

Current quiver mounted quiver
192cm Atomic Thug/duke
189cm K2 Seth Px12ti
185cm Atomic Snoop Daddy/Naxo
183cm Head IM103/Mojo
179cm K2 Public Enemy



what I have to say about the skis. the skis are well made and and felt plenty stiff all the ways around the tail felt stiffer . overall flex is slightly softer than the Head IM103. but stiffer than anything else I have.

The first run down a mellow groomer the skis felt way to edgy and impossiable to steer them were you wanted to go, in powder they felt really balanced and floatly. In a couple runs I determinded that the ski has something really off with the tune and I take them back and bevel the edges to 1 degree on the base. With some detuning this make much more managable.

All day long the skis really impressed in untracked snow, tight deep tree were extremelly easy to ski, as were wide open groomers. Soft and hard crud was no match for this skis either, the stiff wide shovel and overall a really a damp skis just chewed though chop great. ON groomers it felt really stable and held a great edge at 40-50mph Sg turns. The ski excels at high speed despite its short lenght, and you would plane up at powder or be able to make nicce controlled 'old school' turns in the trees. very easy super fun.

The downfall to this ski IMO is the tail is WAY to stiff for the overall flex of the ski, or maybe the mount point was off. Bumps were nearly impossiable to ski and hardpack off trail steeps werent much easier, the tails kept catching and wanting to send you striaght down the hill or whereever the skis were pointed. The skis is a really good ski I am sure tons of people will find it be an awesome ski. I jsut think Pmgear would appeal to a large percent of people buying the 179 Fat if the tail was softer.

Final line
Awesome mini big mountain powder skis, not so great in really tracked up that is tight and bumped though. Well made ski just not made totally the right way in my humble opinion

side review

Marker Dukes - rock!!!!

the first time you step in the solid thud remind you off shutting a BMW door, the power transfer to the edge is unreal. Alot of the reason for such good preformance for a 111mm skis has to be from thsi binding. The skis feels quicker edge to edge and has more leverage on that edge. Make the skis feel about as fat as my PE so in 'feel' roughly 3 cm narrow on groomers. No ill effects in powder either. bottomline if you cna swing the loot for this binding mount it on every ski you cna afford to do it on.
post #2 of 13

Very Fair Review

bushwacker, this is a very good honest review.

The mounting point seems so critical on the Bro's.

The 183 stiffs you saw me on @ solitude were great in soft snow but I found the stiffness + Mount point made the ski a bit hard to use on firm snow at sower speeds. I knew that If mounted 1 or 2 (MM) forward they would have been much easier to turn on firm But what would i have given up in the soft.

That stiff flex makes them hang up a bit in the steeps at human speeds, but if they were softer what do you give up when hammering the chop or stomping air to variable snow?

Bottom line, if you want to ski BRO stiff (BRING YOUR A GAME)

I would prefer not a softer tail but a slightly overall softer (But Even) flex through out the ski.

but hey if you were gonna bet on winning a Chinese down hill would you even hesitate to run it on a stiff bro??
post #3 of 13
Useful review, worthwhile feedback too.
post #4 of 13
why did you pick the stiff rather than a soft if you are mounting touring bindings on it. I'm thinking about the 188s soft with dynafits I don't know if I'd go stiff on at skis
post #5 of 13
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but hey if you were gonna bet on winning a Chinese down hill would you even hesitate to run it on a stiff bro??
What the fruck is a Chinese'a down hrill?

I love the big bro 192's and mount point is everything. If I ever get mine back after "trading" for a pair of comi kazis, I'll be moving the mount about 5mm forward.

My big bros were a mid-stiff flex with a slight (2mm tops) rocker of the front third of the ski. Super surfy in the deep and dealt well with the chop.

The Comi Kazis are just plain stupid easy and fun in the deep and at 196, they are remarkabley simple to manuver in the trees.

Big skis are fun.
post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by tchpdx View Post
What the fruck is a Chinese'a down hrill?

I love the big bro 192's and mount point is everything. If I ever get mine back after "trading" for a pair of comi kazis, I'll be moving the mount about 5mm forward.

My big bros were a mid-stiff flex with a slight (2mm tops) rocker of the front third of the ski. Super surfy in the deep and dealt well with the chop.

The Comi Kazis are just plain stupid easy and fun in the deep and at 196, they are remarkabley simple to manuver in the trees.

Big skis are fun.
Chinese downhill is insanely many stupid chinese people running down a hill acting stupid I believe there's a video example of it somewhere :


I was thinking why Bushwacker tried the stiff and not the soft? And what the differences might have been had it been the soft model..

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Kasper
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Originally Posted by tylerjames View Post
why did you pick the stiff rather than a soft if you are mounting touring bindings on it. I'm thinking about the 188s soft with dynafits I don't know if I'd go stiff on at skis
not my skis and I have skied soft bro before and they felt 'noodley". I have also skied on preproduction version of the 192s and loved them. Easier to manage than these skis.
post #8 of 13
So what's the concluson? Don't buy the 179 fat bro? - no matter if they're stiff or soft..?
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
So what's the concluson? Don't buy the 179 fat bro? - no matter if they're stiff or soft..?

some people like the flex like that and its very well made ski
post #10 of 13
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some people like the flex like that and its very well made ski
What powder-specific ski would you recommend to a guy at 150lbs - expert skier?
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
What powder-specific ski would you recommend to a guy at 150lbs - expert skier?
do you want reverse camber and/or reverse sidecut?
185cm Praxis
179cm Hellbent
179cm Pontoon
Kuro sounds awesome but havent skied it

do you want truly powder specific with "normal" sidecut and camber?
179cm Soft Fat Bro
175cm Sumo
181cm Thug
170cm fatypus Alotta

Do you want something versitale?

179cm Seth
183cm Gotama
179cm or 183cm Soft Bro

there are other skis but with so many choices your question is nearly impossiable to answer
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
do you want reverse camber and/or reverse sidecut?
185cm Praxis
179cm Hellbent
179cm Pontoon
Kuro sounds awesome but havent skied it

do you want truly powder specific with "normal" sidecut and camber?
179cm Soft Fat Bro
175cm Sumo
181cm Thug
170cm fatypus Alotta

Do you want something versitale?

179cm Seth
183cm Gotama
179cm or 183cm Soft Bro

there are other skis but with so many choices your question is nearly impossiable to answer
Yep I know, but a list like that is what I wanted I've never skied reverse camber or sidecut (only waterskis ) - how is it?
So you do actually recommend the 179 fat soft bro .. I'm thinking reverse sidecut and/or camber would be the best skis at floating in powder - how are they in trees?

I'm thankful for your help
post #13 of 13
And what about Icelantic Shaman 173?
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