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Help me choose the best mid-layer

post #1 of 9
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I am looking for the best mid layer to wear skiing under a hard shell. Some background:

- I ski mostly in the southern alps. Temp are typically not very cold (-10C is considered cold) and could be quite warm in a sunny afternoon (+10C frequent).

- I have an insulated GoreTex Pro shell jacket and pants (from Eider, french brand). On a regular day I wear only a base layer under the jacket (icebreaker, Patagonia, Craft, Odlo). If it is cold I add a stretch micro fleece. With the setup I am never cold, very often too warm and sometimes sweaty. I use the pit zips quite a bit.

- I bought a hardshell (Arc'theyx Theta AR) that I am planning to use with the same micro-fleece and base layer as above. This combination should work well for regular days or warm days.

- For the colder days though I am wondering what would be the best mid layer would be? I want something that breezes very well but warmer than a micro-fleece. I got the Arctheryx Covert cardigan but there are a few things I do not like about it.

- Regarding the pants I got the Arctheryx Alpha SL pants and I am planningg to use that on hot days with some light base layer bottoms. I am looking for some recommandations here as well.

Thanks
post #2 of 9
How about a nice mid-weight wool layer. I like Smartwool.
https://www.smartwool.com/default.cfm

I normally wear a thin light weight base layer of either silk or poly pro, then a mid-weight wool or polar fleece layer. For really cold or windy days, I'll add a vest.
post #3 of 9
Arcteryx Delta AR (Lighter) or SV (Warmer)? I have been shopping for a similar solution although for colder temps to -17C(0F) or less and trying to decide between the Solo/Belay or the SV. I don't know if those options are too similar to the covert.
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Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
How about a nice mid-weight wool layer. I like Smartwool.
https://www.smartwool.com/default.cfm

I normally wear a thin light weight base layer of either silk or poly pro, then a mid-weight wool or polar fleece layer. For really cold or windy days, I'll add a vest.
This might be a good idea. I like my icebreaker Merino base layer. How is the breathability of wool mid layer compared to the best breathable fleece?
post #5 of 9
Take a look at the Patagonia layering systems. you can choose from varying levels of warmth. They are fantastic pieces. Also, they are a very green company. http://www.patagonia.com/web/us/prod...ON=PBL_LANDING

I wear 3 layers. 2 base and then one mid. My favorite mid is the Salomon motomesh 1/2 zip. This shirt wicks extremly well and is very warm. Nice waffle-like fabric. no smell either.

http://www.buy.com/prod/salomon-moto...206419668.html
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Originally Posted by TheJudge View Post
Arcteryx Delta AR (Lighter) or SV (Warmer)? I have been shopping for a similar solution although for colder temps to -17C(0F) or less and trying to decide between the Solo/Belay or the SV. I don't know if those options are too similar to the covert.
The SV looks very warm and I question the breathability. For the AR, it might be an option for me as it solves the issue I have with the covert (no protection at the top of the zipper that is metal and gets cold on your chin...
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Originally Posted by Lionel_Bonnot View Post
This might be a good idea. I like my icebreaker Merino base layer. How is the breathability of wool mid layer compared to the best breathable fleece?
I don't detect much difference between my mid-weight wool layer or my polar fleece layer. I think the wool layer is slightly more breathable than my polar fleece layer. I tend to sweat a bit more when I wear the polar fleece, so usually use that on days when it's -10C or colder.
post #8 of 9
I have moved to merino (smartwool or icebreaker) as a base and polartec powerstretch as a midlayer and find that this combination has the largest comfortable range in terms of temperature and exertion level.
post #9 of 9
i have the SV and can say that breatability is surprisingly good. it is noticeably better than any other mid layer type clothing that I have.
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