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post #31 of 46
Simplemind: the new rules are not in effect yet.

falcon: We are talking about an industry who spends most of its time in bankruptcy. Obviously, they are not managed well. Having said that, there is some correlation between number of bags and weight. Also, there is a fixed handling cost for each bag regardless of weight.

I know what thing: airlines suck. But things like this that rationalize their pricing actually makes me hopeful. Maybe they will stop doing stupid things like canceling your flight out of blue.
post #32 of 46
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Originally Posted by lerops View Post
Maybe they will stop doing stupid things like canceling your flight out of blue.
I agree with your thoughts but expect the Easter Bunny before they become less "stupid" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Falcon_O aka a very seasoned air traveler
post #33 of 46
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Originally Posted by lerops View Post
Simplemind: the new rules are not in effect yet.

falcon: We are talking about an industry who spends most of its time in bankruptcy. Obviously, they are not managed well. Having said that, there is some correlation between number of bags and weight. Also, there is a fixed handling cost for each bag regardless of weight.

I know what thing: airlines suck. But things like this that rationalize their pricing actually makes me hopeful. Maybe they will stop doing stupid things like canceling your flight out of blue.
Quoting from the link posted above, "United is also raising the price of checking large items that require special handling, because of their size, weight or fragility. That cost can range from $100 to $200 and includes items like skis and golf bags. "

That's why I thought they already are charging for oversize. I guess it depends on which membership lever you are in.
post #34 of 46
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Originally Posted by Simplemind View Post
Quoting from the link posted above, "United is also raising the price of checking large items that require special handling, because of their size, weight or fragility. That cost can range from $100 to $200 and includes items like skis and golf bags. "

That's why I thought they already are charging for oversize. I guess it depends on which membership lever you are in.
No. Read the policy more carefully. Skis are considered "as bags". So ever as a general member, or as a total nobody, you get one checked bag free.

From their "Domestic baggage questions" page
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14. If I check one bag and a pair of skis, do I have to pay a second bag service fee?
Yes, sports equipment counts toward your baggage allowance and you would be charged a second bag service fee. If you only check your pair of skis, you would not be charged a second bag service fee.

All travel baggage (including but not limited to skis, golf clubs, boxes, suitcases, etc.) count toward your baggage allowance.
Your membership level determines how many bags you can check for free, and the maximum weight. But (ski bag+boot bag)=one regular bag for everyone. So your skis plus one rolling duffel or large (normal, not huge) suitcase with your other gear is going to cost you $25, if you're a non-status flyer, not $100. Their "Special items" page makes that clear (in fact unusually clear for UA):
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Special Items fall into three categories:

* As Bags - Treated identically to suitcases and included in passenger’s bag allowance or treated as an excess bag as applicable
* Standard Sized - Handling fee applies regardless of other checked bags
* Large Sized - Handling fee applies regardless of other checked bags
Skis are in the "As Bags" category so are free if it's within your free number of bags (3 for me, 1 for you if you have no status with UA or Star Alliance). If it's not within your allowance, the skis (or the suitcase if the skis were bag#1) will cost you $25. You do have to keep the total weight of your ski and boot bag (if dumb enough to check boots) to 50lbs (though if you're Star Gold probably the 70lb/bag still applies).

Of course your surfboard will cost $100 and your kayak $200. But skis or snowboards are just "a suitcase" in terms of pricing.

Yes, it's a fee, but it's not all as much as what people are complaining about.
post #35 of 46
Lots of fresh merger speculation in news today: Northwest&Delta, United&Continental
post #36 of 46
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Originally Posted by lerops View Post
Like a couple of people pointed out above, it is just an attempt to charge those that are increasing the costs. We have an hobby that requires checking heavy items. Given airlines' cost problems, I would actually expect them to charge for oversized items outright, I mean ski bags not counting as the free bag.
As the head-of-household of a family of six this surchage is FAR from trivial...If this is about weight and the cost of fuel why should MY family be penalized for the morbidly obese?... each of us WITH our ski equipment weigh less than many of the overweight flyers...so now I have to give up my armrest AND reach into my wallet AGAIN...
post #37 of 46
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Originally Posted by lerops View Post
Simplemind: the new rules are not in effect yet..
That's right, fly as much as possible THIS season. You never know what next season would bring. Maybe global warming and rain. Maybe expensive travel... Live today!

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falcon: We are talking about an industry who spends most of its time in bankruptcy. Obviously, they are not managed well.

But things like this that rationalize their pricing actually makes me hopeful. Maybe they will stop doing stupid things like canceling your flight out of blue
Wrong way of thinking.

An industry that's chronically mis-managed will continue to be mis-managed. Gauging customer is just a vain attempt to cover up their inability to run the business, shifting the blame and focus to the user (flying public) instead.

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Having said that, there is some correlation between number of bags and weight. Also, there is a fixed handling cost for each bag regardless of weight.
Yes on the per bag cost.

As for the weight? I'll simply use a biggest allowed bag and stuff all my stuff in there to avoid being charged extra. That's what everybody will be doing! Won't decrease the weight a single bit.

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I know what thing: airlines suck.
post #38 of 46
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Originally Posted by Heliskier59 View Post
As the head-of-household of a family of six this surchage is FAR from trivial...If this is about weight and the cost of fuel why should MY family be penalized for the morbidly obese?... each of us WITH our ski equipment weigh less than many of the overweight flyers...so now I have to give up my armrest AND reach into my wallet AGAIN...
Agreed. Over weight people effect me in a far more material way, by taking my arm rest, making it awkward to get out as well as weighing a lot. For a small minority of them they might truly have some genetic condition which compels them to consume more calories then they expend, but for most of them they just eat too much crap and don't work out enough. America today is like 50% more obese since the 1950s or something, and I know we HAVE NOT had a 50% change in our obesity genes. Why shouldn't they pay the extra costs they incur on the rest of us?:

That said, this policy isn't so bad. Pack junk in your ski bag around the skis, take the boots as a carry on, wear your ski jacket. Basically just add $25 onto any United ticket you purchase. Though I'd rather just pay an extra $30 and fly American, and not have to deal with UAL's fee or the extra work of packing all my stuff and wearing a whole ton of ski gear on the plane.

BTW, I'm also a member of Flyertalk, don't post much though since I don't fly much.

(Also I'm a bit biased towards AA since I'm about 15% of the way to lifetime GLD (1MM), and I have all my FF miles there. Also their FF program is pretty decent.)
post #39 of 46
US Airways is following United's lead: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=67389
post #40 of 46
I just read this on Southwest's web site:

Weight and Size Allowance: Maximum weight is 50 pounds and maximum size is 62 inches (length + width + height) per checked piece of luggage. Effective March 1, 2005, overweight items from 51 to 70 pounds will be accepted for a charge of $25.00 per item. Items weighing from 71 to 100 pounds and oversized items in excess of 62 inches but not more than 80 inches (i.e., surfboards, bicycles, vaulting poles) will be accepted for a charge of $50.00 per item.

This looks like Southwest will also be charging for a typical ski bag, which must exceed the total of 62 inches. Anyone fly them lately with skis? Their policy is in effect right now, and I'm flying them out to Utah in a couple of weeks.
post #41 of 46

Southwest

A friend recently took Southwest and checked 1 suitcase with clothes, 1 ski bag and 1 boot bag. Southwest did not charge extra because of the skis, but refused to treat skis and boots as one bag. They charged him ($25 I think) for the third bag.
post #42 of 46
Looks like I'll be renting skis on my next trip out west.

Maybe the airlines just did me a favor. I was planning on buying some wider skis for my trips. That would cost some $$$. Now add the airline fees $$$. It will not only be cheaper now to just rent when I'm there, but it will be less hassle since I won't have to lug that big fargin ski bag around.
post #43 of 46
Thanks Sheleg. I kind of thought that if they had planned to charge for skis, they would have mentioned that in their policy instead of "surfboards and vaulting poles." I suppose the policy gives them liberty to charge if they want, though. We ended up paying a lot for our tickets to Salt Lake (1,300 for two of us) and I'll be mad if they charge extra for the ski bag, especially since we travel light other than our skis.
post #44 of 46
So, travel before May 8th is still unaffected? One ski bag, plus boot bag = 1 checked bag, and you are allowed two on a domestic flight. Correct?
post #45 of 46
Someone had posted the'll never use United due to baggage fee.

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Originally Posted by Mdskier View Post
This sucks, United has been my airline of choice.
If they really do this I'll dump them next year.

(goes in effect May 5-post ski season)
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Recap: I've dumped United totally.
Two trips on SW & first western ski trip Feb 4, a year & 1 day
since above post, is on NW

United quickly went to $50 for 2nd bag. Recently (a month ago)
United dropped 2nd bag fee back to $25.
post #46 of 46
Coming to the US for a holiday (for the first time in a decade, I've always come there to work), I eschewed a bargain airfare because they couldn't link the fares together to make one itinerary, and thus enable me to claim Pacific baggage limite on US domestic flights.

I paid extra (still got a good deal mind you) to have the entire trip all ticketed together so I get my 2 bags each weighing no more than 32 kg. I shan't get to 32 kg, but usually I'm at around 28kg per piece (I come to the US to SHOP as well as ski, your stuff is cheap, specially at TJ Maxx and Nordstrom Rack!).
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