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post #31 of 48
Who recommended that you leave the base bevel alone?
post #32 of 48
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Originally Posted by patprof66 View Post
Thanks again guys-took the skis to the shop this morning for a fresh stone grind. At his recommendation, I'm going to leave the base bevel alone (at 1) and increase the side bevel to 3 degrees. I'll give you a report when I ski again Thursday.
That seems like a reasonable setup for that ski. Base bevel doesn't change grip anyway.
post #33 of 48
Changing the base bevel would make the edge another 0.5 degrees more acute, at the expense of making the ski less forgiving. If the change to 3 degrees side does the trick you can keep the base your used to. On the other hand you might like the more responsive feel of a 0.5 degree base bevel.

Of course the Magnum might just not have the torsional rigidity to compete with with the other ice-skate type skis. It's worth a shot though.
post #34 of 48
Try a VOLKL!!!!! They all grip, yes even fat skis.
post #35 of 48
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
That seems like a reasonable setup for that ski. Base bevel doesn't change grip anyway.
Actually it does because as Ghost stated it makes the edge more accute. the change that is more commonly noticed however, is when the edge engages in the turn. A .5/3 will have better hold than a 1/3.
post #36 of 48
Next season, I'm going to do 0.5 and 3 on my freeskiing SL's but with a 1 degree tip and tail. That way, I should have forgiveness AND grip.
post #37 of 48
I am simialr in age and size and ski mostly similar conditions Pat and use 1/3 combo on Atomic SX 10's -- works well for me
post #38 of 48
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Next season, I'm going to do 0.5 and 3 on my freeskiing SL's but with a 1 degree tip and tail. That way, I should have forgiveness AND grip.
Beware, bevels like that are a b*tch to maintain. I actually run a full length .5 on everything now. You get used to the .5 after awhile. Now when I ski on a 1 degree base bevel on a slalom ski I wonder how I ever skied on them.
post #39 of 48
Good point and thanks for the correction. I prefer to get grip at the edge rather than at the base. So, if I want more grip I just add another .5 at the edge and that way I don't change the engagement factor of the base.

That said, I do like my SL race skis at a .5 base but that is for faster edge engagement. At this point I don't like my all around skis being that touchy.
post #40 of 48
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
Next season, I'm going to do 0.5 and 3 on my freeskiing SL's but with a 1 degree tip and tail. That way, I should have forgiveness AND grip.
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
Beware, bevels like that are a b*tch to maintain.
Seems like it should be fine once its set up since a skier will rarely touch the base edge with a file.
post #41 of 48
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Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
Seems like it should be fine once its set up since a skier will rarely touch the base edge with a file.
De-burring is a PITA. You have to remember to mark the ski where you change the bevel, etc. IMO, screwing around with it that much isn't worth the small adjustment in performance... unless you're interested in skidding or steering turns on a slalom ski - then I guess detuning the tips and tails to make them less aggressive would be mandatory.
post #42 of 48
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De-burring is a PITA.
I keep forgetting about the different types of snow we all ski. Its very rare for me to have to debur my base edge. Even when it gets scraped down to boilerplate I rarely have any rocks mixed in the snow due to the large amounts we get out here (360+" and counting, not that I'm braggin...hehe ).
post #43 of 48
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I keep forgetting about the different types of snow we all ski. Its very rare for me to have to debur my base edge. Even when it gets scraped down to boilerplate I rarely have any rocks mixed in the snow due to the large amounts we get out here (360+" and counting, not that I'm braggin...hehe ).
Well for those of us who ski on more rocks, sand, and dirt than snow... de-burring is a PITA.
post #44 of 48
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
De-burring is a PITA. You have to remember to mark the ski where you change the bevel, etc. IMO, screwing around with it that much isn't worth the small adjustment in performance... unless you're interested in skidding or steering turns on a slalom ski - then I guess detuning the tips and tails to make them less aggressive would be mandatory.
Actually, deburring is quite simple, even when the angles change. All I do is gently run an arkansas stone with a clean square edge once down the base, you can see the burr building up against the leading edge as you push it down the base. (I free hand, instead of using a base bevel guide....it made it absolutely trivial for me. No more PITA.)

Be VERY gentle, as the burr is EASY to knock off. Press hard, and you risk dulling the edge if you are not accurate. Same with using diamonds -- you can't see the burr building up along the leading face of the stone, so it is hard to be accurate.

You can easily feel a burr if you miss the transition, no harm to do that spot again.

The Holmenkol website shows a demo of base edge prep, which involves using multiple bevels.

Most skiers I know use a 1 degree base for free skiing. This compound beveling should improve ice grip without making the ski too hooky. I will try it next season - I don't want to do a base grind right now.
post #45 of 48
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FINAL REPORT:
Got the skis back this morning. Had the bases stone ground and changed the side bevel from 1 to 3 degrees. What a difference! Even though the weather was warm here(mid-30's) the snow was ungroomed and surprisingly hard early this morning. Bottom line-the skis initiated turns much quicker, but also smoother. The edge hold on the hard-pack was also noticeably better. I would definitely recommend this change to anyone skiing the Magnums.
post #46 of 48
And the Head Magnum's are not working for you??? My friend has a pair that I tried and I thought they had incredible edge hold! I actually think that Head excels in edge hold. I do however second the vote on the RX9's. I have the 180's and it is my goto ski for serious eastern ice days.......
post #47 of 48
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
I actually run a full length .5 on everything now. You get used to the .5 after awhile.
I still find it annoying on certain types of snow. Styrofoamie stuff.
post #48 of 48
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Originally Posted by ski=free View Post
Try a VOLKL!!!!! They all grip, yes even fat skis.
I have a set of last years Volkl S 5's in 168 they hook on ice as if it was corduroy. And I Patrol at a SOUTH east resort that is not well known for grooming and I have to ski no matter what the conditions are.
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