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EASTERN ALL MOUNTAIN SKI WHICH ONE ???'s

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hi everyone, I am new here and I am looking for advise. I am a ski patroller and have been skiing my whole life. I am 6'1" and 250 lbs.

I am currently skiing on a pair of Volkl P60 GC Racing in a 183. I love the ski, but I am looking for something with the same edge grip but a little more forgiving. Yes the ski tires me out after being on it day in an out! It is an awesome ski!

I am interested in I am guessing an all mountain ski, something that I can rip long, medium and short turns on and also be able to take into the bumps, woods and powder when we get some and be MORE FORGIVING!

I am open to any ski out there! It can be a 04-05, 05-06, 06-07 or 07-08.

Pro forms skis are limited right now, so I would have to locate a ski either new or used with very low days on it.

I appreciate all of your help in advance. Thank you.

Best regards,

Siggy
post #2 of 19
It will be hard to find an all-mountain ski with the same edge grip as the P60. You might try the Metron B5.
post #3 of 19
A Fischer RX8 or RX9 from the last few years might be worth considering. They certainly meet your forgiving criteria without giving up too much compared to your Volkls. The current Fischer RC4 Progressor might also be a possibility.
post #4 of 19
I'd vote for the RX-9; check skidepot.com for some deals on last year's model.
post #5 of 19
Gee, anybody else thinking AC40? in 177cm. Not sure you can find one from last year.

Which hill do you work at ? Most here know I'm an Ambassador at Okemo.

Oh yea, Welcome to EPIC.
post #6 of 19
I think the two best skis I've had the opportunity to try lately from what you say you are looking for are the Fisher Progressor and Dynastar Contact 11 (or LTD). Bumps, hardpack, eastern 'snow'', groomers, and trees (provided the ground cover doesn't necessitate extra float!) these are great skis.

Liam
post #7 of 19
Yes those are two good choices also, I'm sure the Volkl RC Racing may be good too. I noticed one of the higher level Instructor buddy's on new Progressors yesterday. Another one has been on the Contact 11 for a month or so. There are some great skis out there, it all comes down to feel.
post #8 of 19
I'd say, Nordica Top Fuel. Great GS ski, forgiving for the performance, crud buster, pretty good in eastern powder, and able to change up turns. I ski it in the bumps and have fun with it, but it's not a bump ski.

Top Fuel's an animal. AC40 is a great ski and somewhat similar. Ski both before you buy the AC 40.

I'd like to know where you ski, too. and welcome.

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Gee, anybody else thinking AC40? in 177cm. Not sure you can find one from last year.
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 

WHICH SKI ???'s

I started to patroll at a small PA mountain called Shawnee. My original plan was to patroll at Killington, but I do not live there anymore and driving back and fourth from NJ every week was going to be to much!

I will tell you this the people there are a great bunch and I am proud to be associated with them!

I appreciate everyones help. Thank you!

Regards,

Siggy
post #10 of 19
A couple have suggested the Fischer RX8 and RX9. I own the RX8 in a 170 and the RX9 in a 180. You can't go wrong with either but would lean more to the RX8 for more versatility. I did purchase a pair of the 2007-2008 Head Monster im78's a month ago and love these skis. This is truely an all mountain ski. I skied them in a foot of fresh powder on Monday and they had plenty of float. Being an eastern skier, what I love about these the most is the incredible edge hold on ice/hardpack. The tip is forgiving but but the tail is stiffer and you can really load it up for whatever turn type you want. The ski is also very stable at high speeds. Highly recommended!!!
post #11 of 19
My short list:

- Fischer RC4 Progressor
- Fischer RX9 (2007 ski)
- Fischer RX8 (2007 ski)
- Head SuperShape
- Head SuperShape Magnum
- Head iM78 (or the previous year's iM77)
- Völkl AC30 (or the previous year's AC3)
- Völkl AC40 (or the previous year's AC4)
- Völkl Tigershark 10-Foot Switch
- Völkl Tigershark 12-Foot Switch
- Atomic Nomad Blackeye
- Dynastar Contact Limited (or the Contact 11)
- Blizzard IQon 7900

Of this list, the Progressors, SuperShapes and Tigersharks are my faves, with the Dynastar Contact right up there, too.
post #12 of 19
Few more reasons for the Progressor and the Contact 11 (or Ltd.)-

Remember as a Patroller, a ski's ability (not to mention the skier's ability) to hold a 'soft edge', dynamically sideslip and float (not in the deep snow sense but in that flat transition phase of a turn) is very important-For this reason-I have found carvier (less than 14m turn radius) not the easiest to use when running sleds. On the otherhand-you're working at a hardpack heaven east coast place-you'll want good-great hard snow performance-and you'll need some crudbusting ability for the occasional snow (and more likely-warm days that produce heavy slushy stuff)-and, of course, yoou want a ski that''s fun to ski-the best bet is are the host of gs shaped, laminate construction skis with somewhere 15-18m turn radii in a mid 170cm length-The best two I've tried in this category (and many others seem to echo these sentiments) are the Progressor and the C11. Can't miss with either one. And both make a nie transition from the ski you're presently usuing.

Liam
post #13 of 19
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A couple have suggested the Fischer RX8 and RX9. I own the RX8 in a 170 and the RX9 in a 180. You can't go wrong with either but would lean more to the RX8 for more versatility.
So I am curious -- what makes you think the RX-8 is more versatile? I have the opposite opinion -- I think the RX-9 is more versatile because of the wider waist and less sidecut. When I skied the RX-8s, they were very good at making the design turn for the sidecut, but they were less adept at making turns that were shorter and longer than that (in other words, they were not great skidders). And the wide tips and tails, coupled with the narrow waist, made them nervous in crud. The RX-9s have eliminated those gripes for me, and can make almost any turn I want without complaint. Both skis are great, but I felt like the 9 is the more versatile one.
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post
So I am curious -- what makes you think the RX-8 is more versatile? I have the opposite opinion -- I think the RX-9 is more versatile because of the wider waist and less sidecut. When I skied the RX-8s, they were very good at making the design turn for the sidecut, but they were less adept at making turns that were shorter and longer than that (in other words, they were not great skidders). And the wide tips and tails, coupled with the narrow waist, made them nervous in crud. The RX-9s have eliminated those gripes for me, and can make almost any turn I want without complaint. Both skis are great, but I felt like the 9 is the more versatile one.
Don’t get me wrong. I love both skis. Unlike you, I feel that you can mix up the turn shape more with the 8 depending on when you want to release the tail. You can’t possibly tell me that the 9 is more versatile in turn shape than the 8. Also, having a larger tip would help in crud, not make them nervous. The waist is only a mere 3mm difference (66 vs 69). Not that dramatic. Also, I am not looking for skis that make great skidders. I like to carve my turns
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by nikonfme View Post
Don’t get me wrong. I love both skis. Unlike you, I feel that you can mix up the turn shape more with the 8 depending on when you want to release the tail. You can’t possibly tell me that the 9 is more versatile in turn shape than the 8. Also, having a larger tip would help in crud, not make them nervous. The waist is only a mere 3mm difference (66 vs 69). Not that dramatic. Also, I am not looking for skis that make great skidders. I like to carve my turns
Agree rx8 can do more turn shapes then the rx9. have both. I like the 8's most of the time, for crud, don't like either.
post #16 of 19
I though patrolling was more about having a nice capable ski that can go anywhere than having the best ice grip or the highest speed limit on groomers.

I would say something like a nordica modified or a Legend 8000, or a PE would be worth looking into. All can be had cheap and IMO a softer or more medium flexing ski with a more moderate radius and a good tune (on icy days) would be favored over a stiffer ice skate type ski that locks you on edge and doesn't feather well. Patrollers have to ski bump runs when they are solid ice, doing that on a race carver would blow severely.
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by nikonfme View Post
Don’t get me wrong. I love both skis. Unlike you, I feel that you can mix up the turn shape more with the 8 depending on when you want to release the tail. You can’t possibly tell me that the 9 is more versatile in turn shape than the 8. Also, having a larger tip would help in crud, not make them nervous. The waist is only a mere 3mm difference (66 vs 69). Not that dramatic. Also, I am not looking for skis that make great skidders. I like to carve my turns
Wide tips are generally better in crud, but not when coupled with a skinny waist. The more dramatic the sidecut, the more hooky wide tips and tails become, and this is true of skis in general. I absolutely hated the RX-8 in crud. The 9 is not a superstar in crud, say compared to my mid-fats, but I think it's a lot less frantic than the 8.

Carving turns is fine, but that only happens at the design radius of the ski -- everything other than that has to incorporate some degree of skidding. Whether it's the 8 or the 9, there is only one turn radius, give or take a meter or so, where the ski is in a pure carve. Everything else involves some amount of skidding. I guess I just like the skid characteristics of the 9 better. That said, the 8 could lock into those short turns quite well.
post #18 of 19
The nordicas have phenomenal grip. you'll be surprised.
post #19 of 19
As someone who skis the 8000's in the east I would not recommend them as your only ski. One of their true limitations is good grip on eastern ice at least in my opinion. Don't get me wrong they are a great ski, but so of the other suggestions above are better alternatives.
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