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Testing the Hart Pheniox Boss

post #1 of 22
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Ive never posted a review so bear with me at times. First off I'm James Watson been skiing for 40 years.: Some freestyle long time ago and basically free skiing most of my life. I bought a Pair of Hart Phoenix Boss skis 189cm 120/92/110 from a tester in Vail for Hart. The skis have the twisted Twin graphics with a shape more like the Fuelie boss. I skied one day last Saturday with the mounting position BOF witch never turned out well so wouldn't recommend that to any one. I remounted the skis boot center on the skis line and that turned out excellent today!! the skis are you would expect by the side cut not for the faint of heart! They like to go Fast and are very stable for someone who enjoys ripping down the mountain in any condition at speed. The temperature was -12c 35cm fresh powder the night before. the ski skied the powder with ease as long again you like to go fast. Shorter radius turns in the powder are fine but what this ski really wants to do is make longer faster arch's. After the boarders and skiers coped up the runs I was impressed how stable the ski was ripping threw any chopped up powder with GS type turns. The ski can be playful in terrain that a slalom ski would need to make turns in. Like steep rutted bumps with chopped up crud and icy patches. The Phoenix Boss just tears it up and holds an edge anywhere you want it to on anything while always remaining stable. The faster you go the more stable the ski felt!! As the day went on I pushed myself and the ski harder and harder and while doing so I was always more rewarded faster I went.: I hooked up with a downhill coach friend of mine and he was impressed how the ski handled a couple of the runs we went down together. I left him in my dust! He said I looked real smooth on those skis. I wasn't used to going so fast down these double black diamonds but other than the fear inside of me I felt more confident than ever knowing the ski wasn't going to let me down by then. There were no groomed runs on the mountain but there was a run that was skied by most that had the powder flattened out on it and its safe to say this ski turns like a champ on the harder packed runs also. I made fast side to side turns and long GS turns all the while feeling the ski respond nicely. I would say to sum up that if you want to be the first one down the mountain in more difficult terrain this ski is the one!! Stable fast and responsive at speeds that most skiers will never go. I would call it a strong intermediate ski but more leaning toward an Experts ski because of the way the ski prefers to charge Hard down the mountain over grace and stylish on piste turns.I did manage a few larger air moments and found the landings very soft under foot. Phil the Hart rep on this site told me a Pro has this similar ski the Fuelie Boss 121/91/111 and is hucking 50fters with it I have no doubt at all! Pucker up and hang on because this ski will take you for the ride of your life!! A true All mountain with envises on BIG mountain performance. Athletic strong skiers ski. A lot of ski!!
post #2 of 22
I'm assuming this is the 09?
What size are you, and what do you normally ski on?
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Pucker up and hang on because this ski will take you for the ride of your life!! A true All mountain with envises on BIG mountain performance. Athletic strong skiers ski. A lot of ski!!
post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
I'm assuming this is the 09?
What size are you, and what do you normally ski on?
I am not sure of the exact construction of this particular ski, but it very close to the current Boss, but an early prototype.
post #4 of 22
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Yes it is a Proto type from the fall. it looks like to me anyway they put a bit more side cut on the current Boss. 1 more mm on the shovel and tail and narrowed the waist by 1 also. From what I can gather not trying the 09 fuelie boss that the current prodution ski would beniffit over this proto type in terms of carving abilaty.
post #5 of 22
very intersting ski. Just wondering why Hart goes so narrow at the tip? 120 on a 92mm waist? not knocking the ski in any way but the avg ski is running about 130-133 these days.
post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
very intersting ski. Just wondering why Hart goes so narrow at the tip? 120 on a 92mm waist? not knocking the ski in any way but the avg ski is running about 130-133 these days.
I haven't skied it myself, but our guy that is skiing in Squaw says the ski is very turny even with the 121 top. Until I get other reports back...I will stay with his actual assessment.
post #7 of 22
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The ski turns really quit well considering the side cut. I was out today skiing with a group of real experts one of witch was in 2002 ranked #1 in the world cup freestyle standings and in the 03 Olympics and the ski did very well. Fast on any terrain is the best way I can describe it. We were in the bumps and some Farly steep and chopped up terrain and it was able to keep up with my older legs! These guys can SKI! Big mountain hard charger. It can make tight turns but likes longer radius and has very good absorption in chopped up terrain at speed. i would be interested to see a review also by the guy in Squaw with the newer vertion with a little more side cut. These skis are bomb proof real beefy the top sheet is metal not sure what metal but from mounting the binding three times in differant locations it seems to run the length as a top sheet anyway.
post #8 of 22
The length and sidecut dimensions suggest it would be a much longer turning ski than Hart's published 24.5m radius spec -- more like 34m or so. Most other wide-ish skis in the 24m range have a tip width >130mm. So if the Harts are as tight turning as the spec and Phils Squaw tester suggest, I would be curious to know *how* they achieve that. It seems to defy the physics of the sidecut dimensions!
post #9 of 22
In looking over the Hart site, I think a few of our sidecuts are incorrect. I am on the process of measuring everything one.
post #10 of 22
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I think a lot of the shorter radius turns im making with the ski most people couldnt make right away anyway. Im 6ft 225 faily strong and to make those turns I have to work it. The turns that require less effort are in that 24-30 as you sugested. Not a quick edge to edge ski. Though can be made to with some finess for a short piriod of time if the terrain calls for that. I took the ski threw a slalom course they had set up yesterday once when the team was going up the chair. The ski dug in pretty hard. So I exeted half way threw didnt want to gouge out there nicey tracked and packed lines.:im getting used to the ski now and the more I ski it the more I like it. I think what i like the most is how it just rips threw any thing and getting air at speed on all the little bumps and ridges on the way down,realy stable ski. Even at very high speeds when you need to mellow it out a bit it will arch a big turn on choppy snow and hold an edge never giving the slittest hit that it will let go.
post #11 of 22
Technically, a ski will have one radius for carved turns where the edge is fully engaged, and this is based on sidecut dimensions and is what ski companies normally quote. But there are an infinite amount of other turns you can make that use some amount of tip/tail skid -- for instance, shorter radius skid turns. Some skis (generally the ones with a shallower sidecut like the Boss) are very good at allowing shorter skid turns, and they can be very smooth graceful turns. My Fischer RX-9s are like that; I swear they can make any turn, short or long.
post #12 of 22
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I'm not sure if i was skid turning short or not. I really cant remember it was yesterday ya know. I might go out on Tues day for a few hours Ill try to see what there doing. Best i can figure a little of both. I know id rather not make shorter turns and if I do its because of bigger moguls just before a drop to get my speed right before I drop in. I was using the terrain to my advantage alot yesterday. Dolphin turns and airplane turns of the bumps. I was generally going to fast all day to really do any shorty's. I just jumped right over the bumps most of the time then a hard stomp and turn to slow trying to keep up with the company I was with! My legs were sore today for the first time in a long time. ya I would say I'm not getting full radius out of short turn a little skid in in there for sure now that I think about it. Generally going real fast big turn just laying them over hanging on for dear life and getting air born out of the turn to start the next one. Get some air land and do it all over again no matter what was in front of me.: This ski can test your nerve! I'm really enjoying the adrenalin this ski can deliver. I never really relax out there always testing my limits and nerve. This ski so far is rock solid for that. I'm getting a good work out at the same time. Ya really gota get Phil to let ya try the Fuelie Boss ill bet its the same type of ski. Just a crusher of a ski. One tough customer. Im pretty hard core but I would love to see a couple of guys I know ski this ski and see what they could make it do! They would be just a blerr comming down the mountain because of its stability at speed.
post #13 of 22
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I'm not sure if i was skid turning short or not. I really cant remember it was yesterday ya know. I might go out on Tues day for a few hours Ill try to see what there doing. Best i can figure a little of both. I know id rather not make shorter turns and if I do its because of bigger moguls just before a drop to get my speed right before I drop in. I was using the terrain to my advantage alot yesterday. Dolphin turns and airplane turns of the bumps. I was generally going to fast all day to really do any shorty's. I just jumped right over the bumps most of the time then a hard stomp and turn to slow trying to keep up with the company I was with! My legs were sore today for the first time in a long time. ya I would say I'm not getting full radius out of short turn a little skid in in there for sure now that I think about it. Generally going real fast big turn just laying them over hanging on for dear life and getting air born out of the turn to start the next one. Get some air land and do it all over again no matter what was in front of me.: This ski can test your nerve! I'm really enjoying the adrenalin this ski can deliver. I never really relax out there always testing my limits and nerve. This ski so far is rock solid for that. I'm getting a good work out at the same time. Ya really gota get Phil to let ya try the Fuelie Boss ill bet its the same type of ski. Just a crusher of a ski. One tough customer. Im pretty hard core but I would love to see a couple of guys I know ski this ski and see what they could make it do! They would be just a blerr comming down the mountain because of its stability at speed.
The whole Fuelie line is sweet. :
post #14 of 22
Those skis sound pretty sweet... I think the industry needs more 90+ waist long radius metal laminate skis that are 180cm+ (up to say 200cm). The selection out there is pretty sparse.
post #15 of 22
I look forward to getting on them In March. Very interesting ski for sure. That sidecut just didn't seem to match up to me either.
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
I look forward to getting on them In March. Very interesting ski for sure. That sidecut just didn't seem to match up to me either.
Finndog in soft snow like spring skiing you wouldnt even have to turn them hardly! interestingly I think there stabilitly would be because of less side cut. Makes kinda sence I think? They never wander ever. Point and shoot. I started out conservitive wasnt sure what to expect. The ski kinda reminds me of back in the day how the old 220 Buzzerds could ski but why easyer to ski than that of course just the speed and traking ability and edge hold at full throttle. Like I said before not for the faint of heart thats for sure. Once you get used to skiing them faster you relize this is what they were ment for.
post #17 of 22
Whipper, no worries, the side cut for that kind of ski doesn't really matter to me. I was more interested in the design concept. I am just comparing todays trend. Interestingly, if you look at a Legend Pro, those dims are more in line (124-97-116). Is the boss as stiff and in the same performance envelope as the pro? That pro is way beyond me.
post #18 of 22
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Big trouble has more side cut but close at 124/92/114 its 2mm wider tip and tail. Would make a difference but how much ? I don't know never tryed a pro. Don't get me wrong an advanced can ski the ski it just takes more finesse. I think an advanced skier wanting to take it to the next level would find this ski a usefull tool. Because of its stable platform an advanced skier could learn to open it up after a while and practice everything at higher speeds with confidence. The ski really can absorb some bumpy terrain that would slow down most skis and skiers. Thats just what I think anyway. I seemed to have bumped it up a notch skiing on this ski. It loves to push you. She looks up at me and says come on sweet heart is that all ya got!
post #19 of 22
for me, in soft snow/pow, flex and other factors are just as important (if not more) as SC. I like the 110 tail. Thanks.
post #20 of 22
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The tips are softish and the tails a bit more firm. I recall looking down at the ski in a long high speed turn and the tips were arched around pretty good. One run we went down on saterday was real soft. We just got dumped on thursday night. Friday was a powder day and saterday was a crusing day most of the fresh was skied on and this one run inpaticulare was real soft and the ski felt super nice skiing down it. I wanted to go down it again but there was only one nole to get air off so everyone else wanted to go back to the face were there was about 5.
post #21 of 22
Sounds good. I look forward to demoing.
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Sounds good. I look forward to demoing.
Hate to tell you..I won't be bringing them with me. I will have other skis along :. Maybe even some '10 prototypes. :
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