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skis in the 100mm range

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Gang,

Am shopping for a ski in the 100mm waisted range. Level 8 skier, 185 lbs and use the 179 PE as my everyday ski.

I will, of course, demo so I can see how the skis ride...but just curious on impressions from the board on a small group of skis and the trade offs between them.

Specifically the:

Line Prophet 100s (have skied the 90s and like them)
Gotamas (Have not skied them yet but people rave about them)
Bros (Considering 183 or 188 in the "stiff" version)

I've started the search here b/c of the positive feedback I've read about these skis and also the versatility they provide. I really don't want an absolute pure powder ski b/c I only get a handful of days that are very deep. I want it to do well in the POW but also be acceptable in other conditions and deal with cut up crud pretty well also. Any issues with these 3 skis or my rationale in considering them?

Thanks
post #2 of 19
i've never skied the Prophet or the Gotama (at least didn't spend significant time on either of them), but for the Bro, i should let you know that the 183 Stiff is completely sold out. However, the soft version of the 183 is now available and is only slightly softer than the stiff version. i would guess that the soft would still be considered 'stiff' in general compared to most skis out there.
post #3 of 19
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
i've never skied the Prophet or the Gotama (at least didn't spend significant time on either of them), but for the Bro, i should let you know that the 183 Stiff is completely sold out. However, the soft version of the 183 is now available and is only slightly softer than the stiff version. i would guess that the soft would still be considered 'stiff' in general compared to most skis out there.
How can you know they are sold out? doesn't it just depend on where you are looking?
post #4 of 19
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How can you know they are sold out?

Because we sold every last one that we made?

post #5 of 19
I think its' TC order Time!!
post #6 of 19
Haven't tried the others, but the gotamas are amazing. It's the generic ski at Squaw Valley right now, where we get exactly the conditions you're describing: powder, then crud, steep chutes and bumps. Couldn't like them more.
post #7 of 19
cut up and powder = volkl explosive. Sitffer then the gots, better for a harder charging skier.
post #8 of 19
How about trying the High Society FR in 187cm (136-104-126 R23.7m) or the new 08/09 Icelantic Nomad in 181cm (140-105-130 R19m?) - both of which are Colorado made skis.
post #9 of 19
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cut up and powder = volkl explosive. Sitffer then the gots, better for a harder charging skier.
Not any more, new Gots are significantly stiffer than the old ones, comparable to the stiff/very stiff Bros of old. Haven't touched my Exploders yet again since I got the Gots.



Definitely prefer the Gots over the Bros as of now by the way they ski and in pow, both do the crud busting well. That said I have neither flexed nor skied any of the latest Euro made Bros and considered getting a 183 for AT as a replacement for the old 179 (too short and soft for my taste). But with the stiffs all gone I'm holding back since I don't know how the new flexes compare to the old NA made ones, maybe Tyrone can enlarge here.

Got a chance last week to at least flex a Line 100 - definitely significantly softer than the Gots. Prolly more forgiving, good in tight spots and for flotation in pow but not sure about the crud busting.
post #10 of 19
Thread Starter 
Cool...thx POWHOG...helpful comments. I think I'm leaning toward the Gots....will decided for sure in 16 days during my next week in UT. I do want to support Tyrone and crew and WILL get some BROs at some point but perhaps not this season.
post #11 of 19
I own the Gotama/183 and have skied the P-100/186 and the Bro/soft....183.

The Line is very floaty and manuverable and is the most playful of the batch. The Bro is pretty straight and not terribly soft and feels very stable. I didn't get it into deep snow. The Gotama is a ski that is hard to go wrong with. It is a good balance of smooth, damp, and is moderately powerful. Of the three, I'd say the Line is the easiest.

SJ
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by PowHog View Post
But with the stiffs all gone I'm holding back since I don't know how the new flexes compare to the old NA made ones, maybe Tyrone can enlarge here.
The new flexes are slightly stiffer than in years past. So...the new Euro made soft 183 that you are/were considering will definitely be stiffer than your old soft 179.

I also used to have an older soft 179 in my personal quiver as well, and always thought it was a bit too short and soft for my personal style as well...so I definitely know where you are coming from.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
The new flexes are slightly stiffer than in years past. So...the new Euro made soft 183 that you are/were considering will definitely be stiffer than your old soft 179.

I also used to have an older soft 179 in my personal quiver as well, and always thought it was a bit too short and soft for my personal style as well...so I definitely know where you are coming from.
Well, I just looked into a stiff so far.

I don't mind a mellower flex in general - considering I'm getting old with troubled knees - but if the softs perform on very steep boilerplates (which I'm going to encounter here sometime when touring) similar to the old softs I'm definitely going to pass. That has the potential to bring me into trouble at times so don't need to add another 'noodle'. No offense meant here Tyrone, you know what I'm trying to bring across.

So what does 'little stiffer' exactly mean now? Are the old stiffs the new softs flexwise? Any other comparison, even to other brands/models? Just trying to get a grasp on that.
post #14 of 19
If you like the public enemy's, you might want to consider the K2 seth's in either 179 or 189, depending on how fast you ski...I'm about your weight and would be on the 189. Blizzard also makes a Titan with a 101mm waist that I demo'd and thought was very nice.
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by PowHog View Post
That has the potential to bring me into trouble at times so don't need to add another 'noodle'. No offense meant here Tyrone, you know what I'm trying to bring across.

So what does 'little stiffer' exactly mean now? Are the old stiffs the new softs flexwise? Any other comparison, even to other brands/models? Just trying to get a grasp on that.
Understand completely what you mean. Give me a little bit to get back to you...I honestly haven't hand flexed or skied the new Euro made 183 softs myself yet, so I'm just going on what the rest of the crew has told me.

I'll try to get you a more direct comparison to other models as well as to our old soft which should hopefully give you a better idea.
post #16 of 19
Don't know about the Bro's as I've never skied them but I own the P-100's and have skied this years Gotama's. The P-100 is a stiffer ski than the Goat but has way more sidecut. It is super turny and loves to play on the hardpack and surf around in the Pow. The Goat is better for charging fast and is more stable at speed. I didn't spend much time in the bumps with the Goats but my Line's are okay in the bumps but you will often bang the huge tips together and cross them up if your not on your game. The sidecut will give you more of turn than you were looking for in the bumps if you are not paying attention. IMHO you can't wrong with either
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
Understand completely what you mean. Give me a little bit to get back to you...I honestly haven't hand flexed or skied the new Euro made 183 softs myself yet, so I'm just going on what the rest of the crew has told me.

I'll try to get you a more direct comparison to other models as well as to our old soft which should hopefully give you a better idea.
Thanks Ty, fair enough, can relate to sth. like soft/superstiff Bros, new Gots, LPs, Exploders. I saw you once skiing the 179s so knew you had 'em.

Sorry Locknload for the slight hijack.
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
i should let you know that the 183 Stiff is completely sold out.


Is that it for the season?

Please say it ain't so!
post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 

Went with the Goat

So...it was between the P-100s and the Gotamas and the REI just happened to have a sale on the Gotamas...pulled the trigger on the 183s. I could have probably handled the 190s but I think the ones I got will give me plenty of float and hopefully do well in crud. Still need to figure out what binding to put on them but I should be skiing on them in 9 days when I'm in Park City.

Its amazing how just 3 years ago my skis were 70ish in the waist...I know have a 3 ski quiver that ranges from 80-105mm...the times they are a changing!

If anyone is around and wants to ski in 10 days...let me know...will be out for more than a week and hoping the snow will come back...

Cheers
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