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Attitash NH Lies about Snow/Responsible for death?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hey,

Will people who ski in NH help me keep my sanity as it relates to Attitash/Bear Peak's snow reports. They have always reported new snow a bit on the generous side but this year they seem to be out right lying about new snow. I've been at the mountain during the past couple of storms and have seen the amount of snow first hand. When I check their web-site they inflate the amount every storm by a few inches. This past week-end was the worst. They had like an inch of snow and reported 4 inches. Every neighboring mountain reported an inch to an inch and a half and they report four. It was a dusting of snow. This has been going on for years but it's gotten much worse this year. Every single time it snows they lye. Has anyone else noticed this about Attitash? I feel bad for people that make decisions on where to ski based upon looking at the web-site report and trusting the mountain to be honest. I know better but most do not. Attitash has no class.

They had a fatality there a few weeks back. I was there that day too. They reported packed powder conditions and the upper part of the mountain was a sheet of ice. I was there. http://www.examiner.com/a-1156881~Mass__skier_dies_after_accident_at_Attitas h.html

They should have reported frozen granular. Wonder if they had reported frozen granular that day if the death could have been prevented as this guy hit ice and went into the woods and died of internal injuries. A little bit of inflating snow amounts is frustrating but being dishonest about conditions that could possibly become a safety factor is not cool. Maybe this guy would have realized that it was icy before he went into the woods but perhaps if he saw the correct snow report before he drove to the mountain and bought his ticket he wouldn't have bothered skiing that day and may be alive today.
post #2 of 19
It seems to me to be a bit of a stretch to associate "truth is stretched somewhat" snow reports to the mountain is in somewhat responsible for somebody's unfortunate death.

I don't know the circumstances of his death, or anything about him, so I don't think it's the place of this forum to debate what happened that day. I do know that the weekend in question was immediately after the thaw / refreeze and conditions all over New England were absolutely attrocious. Okemo and Mt. Snow on their snow reports were saying that "the base is holding up great" as well. Attitash is in no way alone in claiming that conditions are better then they are in reality.
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 

Agreed, But........

Agreed regarding a direct link between this poor souls death and a stretch of a snow report but surrounding resorts of Cranmore and Bretton Woods reported frozen granular conditions that week-end.
post #4 of 19
I get as annoyed as the next guy over inflated conditions, but since when has a little ice stopped a north easterner from skiing?
If you take a risk like going in the trees, you should take the time to check the conditions on piste first to make sure its worth it to go in the trees.
post #5 of 19
Bogus ski reports have long been the staple of the ski industry, especially in the Northeast. It's just another manifestation of the fact that honesty is not considered a premium in our society. Fine print, asterisks, hidden fees, half truths and hyperbole....we have allowed it to permeate every aspect of our life with impunity. You just have to use common sense...if it seems too good to be true it probably is. Want an honest ski report?...just call a ski shop down the street from the ski area and ask them...
post #6 of 19
Ski areas lie more than politicians!
post #7 of 19
In the mid-late 60's the Stowe reports always seemed to be "Good to Excellent" (pre-snowmaking and pretty much pre-grooming - think ice rink).

We used to joke that they reported "Good to Excellent" even when they got a powder dump and it was much better!
post #8 of 19
Responsible for death? No.
Irresponsible in general? Yes.

Fortunately, our reports are dead accurate as of 5:30am. Sometimes that means they report 4 inches and there are 14 by the time lifts turn. Sometimes they report 28 degrees and snow, and it is 34 and rain when the lifts open.

But not so far this year...with nearly 40" since Sunday and low 20's...oh well - yet another powder day.

Reason #32345454 not to live in the east.
post #9 of 19
I always take reports with a grain of salt especially large Corporate areas.

Whereas my regional area a 1200 vert hill and a mom and pop operation KNOWS it's customer well and seem s to be a bit MORE realistic in reporting at least that's been my experience
post #10 of 19
I skied Attitash last weekend and their website was claiming that they were "100% Open." Not only did I see multiple trails with CLOSED ropes up, but I skied some trees that SHOULD have been closed even though they weren't. Also, (and this one really boggled me) they had a couple of steep trails with whalebacks from the snow guns going all the way down them that were open and left that way. I have skied features like this before, but always had to duck a rope or hike pre-season to get to them. Has anyone else heard of a resort that will blow piles of snow and then open the trail before smoothing them out? The backsides of these styrofoam monsters can get REALLY steep, and probably pretty dangerous for people who are not expecting it. Is this becoming common practice anywhere else?
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by JayPowHound View Post
Has anyone else heard of a resort that will blow piles of snow and then open the trail before smoothing them out?
Yes. Welcome to skiing in the south.
post #12 of 19
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Also, (and this one really boggled me) they had a couple of steep trails with whalebacks from the snow guns going all the way down them that were open and left that way. I have skied features like this before, but always had to duck a rope or hike pre-season to get to them. Has anyone else heard of a resort that will blow piles of snow and then open the trail before smoothing them out? The backsides of these styrofoam monsters can get REALLY steep, and probably pretty dangerous for people who are not expecting it. Is this becoming common practice anywhere else?
Sure. I've skied those things at Wachuset, at Okemo, at Mt. Snow, and at Cannon. I thought everybody did it. There's usually a sign at the top warning of "ungroomed terrain ahead".

It gets really fun when they're still blasting the snow guns so you can't see the whales approaching, etc. Fun times.
post #13 of 19
That's very irresponsible to claim packed powder when you have ice (frozen granular is an acceptable euphemism). Yes, it's dangerous, and it can cause injury and death. Get it together, Attitash.
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by JayPowHound View Post
Has anyone else heard of a resort that will blow piles of snow and then open the trail before smoothing them out? The backsides of these styrofoam monsters can get REALLY steep, and probably pretty dangerous for people who are not expecting it. Is this becoming common practice anywhere else?
Common practice at Stowe. I love it. Wish they'd do it more. The more time they give those whales before they grrom, the better the end product will be.
post #15 of 19
Sounds like East Coast skiing is a WHALE of fun!
post #16 of 19
What is on a web site is often different than the "real time" report that is posted that morning around lift opening time.

We used to have a sheet circulate at the ski school on what the patrol observations were and I believe this was also posted at the ticket counters.

Unless it was blatant padding .... how many times has the powder been blasted away during a frontal passage .... there one hour and gone into the woods the next?
post #17 of 19
Why would ice kill someone? Not the mountains fault, the guys fault for not knowing how to snowboard.

I hit pure ice all the time at WaterVille, not impossible to ski over, even at higher speeds. As for the poor snow report, thats just the mountain, but other mountains around the state seem to be quite on with snow reports. and if you ski at a mountain based on their report, you shouldnt be skiing. People need to learn how to use common sense.
post #18 of 19
Eastern hills with routinely bs snow reports? NO - say it ain't so. :

Puleese, the only report I believe of eastern resorts is MRG's which is always brutally honest.

I never knew what packed powder really was until heading west many years ago. No scraping sound? No barely holding on with every ounce of energy on your edges? Jump up and down and it compresses 3 inches - So this is what packed powder really is? Wow - nice stuff!
post #19 of 19
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IAlso, (and this one really boggled me) they had a couple of steep trails with whalebacks from the snow guns going all the way down them that were open and left that way.
Jack Frost in PA did that last year - they left the whales there for several weeks before grooming to be sure they were good and dead. This year with colder temps in Jan and more snow made, they are grooming right away (This year JF had the best groomed slopes I've seen in years - makes other mountains in the area look awful). Peak Resorts bought JF last year, and Attitash this year - maybe the manager was transfered up there.
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