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Curvy "Powder" ski for Eastern Big Guy? Mantra Gotama Watea?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
6', 240# level 8/9 New England skier here.
20-30 days per year
1 week out west

Currently on:
Atomic Metron 9's 171cm (a bit too soft, not enough float in "powder")
Atomic SL9 160 cm (love them on the corderoy/ice and partrolling at the local hill -200' vert)

Looking for a fat, but somewhat curvy ski for the "powder" days. Being an east coast skier, anything over 6" is a powder day & usually only for a couple hours before it gets skied off/bumped up. Prefer a ski that will perform the afternoon after the powder morning as well (don't wanna lug another pair). Will keep SL9 & Metron for carving. I will probably replace the Metron 9 with a B5 or Fischer RX / RX heat in a year or 2.

After several hours of searching ES - I'm considering Volkl Mantra or Gotama & Fischer Watea 94. Despite my weight (I really should lose 30#) I prefer a short ski (<180 or 185 max) for manuverability in the trees.

What do you all think? Anything else I should look at?
post #2 of 19
I'm your size. I would consider a 186cm Watea 94, 183cm Atomic Crimson Nomad or a 186cm Monster 88. These are wide enough for 12 inches of snow while being excellent on groomed runs.

Michael
post #3 of 19
6' 195lb here, and I strongly recommend the Watea 94 in 186cm. I was thoroughly impressed with this ski both off-piste and on. Fat but curvy describes it well. It feels skinnier and shorter than the dimensions suggest. At your height/weight, don't go any shorter than 186cm on this ski.
post #4 of 19
by "curvy" I'm making the assumption you really mean "turny", correct?

"curvy" would denote the shape of the ski, whilst "turny" would denote that the ski likes to, um, turn.



My suggestions:

1. AK King Salmon: http://www.akski-usa.com/products.html
Great mid-sized powder ski that still performs on hardpack. Much more nimble than a Mantra, which dimensions it mirrors, give or take a mm here and there. It only comes in a 180, but it skis long for its length. I'm going into my second season on 'em.

(another option is the new Super Bro 195 from PM Gear, which is basically a re-badged Super Salmon, which is the King Salmon in a 195cm length):
http://pmgear.com/index.php?cPath=52...8924 c5951edc

2. Lib Tech NAS Freeride (99mm): http://www.libtechnas.com/
This his ski floats in pow, plus with a 19m turning radius should meet your "curvy-cum-turny" requirements. They have this crazy "magnetraction" that totally grips on hard snow but doesn't hook up in the soft serve. Been on them for 2 days now in variable conditions and love 'em. These may actually bump my poor King Salmons into light rotation!


3. Volkl Mantra - Solid pow mid-fat.
post #5 of 19
I just got the Volkl Mantras this year and can't rave about them enough. I just got back from Whistler and they were great in the powder, crud and on the groomers. Truly a stable ski that turns well. Get a pair!
post #6 of 19
Watea 94 or Salomon sandstorm are both nice choices. The Watea is impossible to beat as far as versatility goes.
post #7 of 19
Forget the Mantra...I weigh less than you and it find that it is easy to overpower. The Wateas are great though I've only skied the 101.
post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 
yes - by "curvy" I mean turny. Something that comes around quick & not just on a carved turn - skiing eastern trees = foot rotation = sliding the turn.

I keep hearing good things about the wateas - how come ski / skiing magazine (www.skinet.com) don't rate them high? score of 2.5 vs. 3.7 for the mantras?

So 94 is still a midfat? what is "fat"? Is this a East vs. West thing?

Thanks for all the ideas keep em coming - time to call around to find a demo...
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by hazmat View Post
6', 240# level 8/9 New England skier here.
20-30 days per year
1 week out west

Currently on:
Atomic Metron 9's 171cm (a bit too soft, not enough float in "powder")
Atomic SL9 160 cm (love them on the corderoy/ice and partrolling at the local hill -200' vert)
ROFL...

But anyway, I would suggest the K2 AK Enemy (Made'n AK) in a 179cm. It has a good amount of sidecut, just enough surface area (108mm waist with very wide tips and tails), powder flex pattern (soft tips), and should also be reasonable on the groomed.

A ~90mm waist ski isn't going to give you enough float for your size - I would suggest something in the 105-120mm range for a 180cm at your size.
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post
ROFL...

But anyway, I would suggest the K2 AK Enemy (Made'n AK) in a 179cm. It has a good amount of sidecut, just enough surface area (108mm waist with very wide tips and tails), powder flex pattern (soft tips), and should also be reasonable on the groomed.

A ~90mm waist ski isn't going to give you enough float for your size - I would suggest something in the 105-120mm range for a 180cm at your size.
+1, add the Scott P4 (available in 181cm) and the 179 Fat Bro Model in a soft flex.
post #11 of 19
The challenge becomes finding a wider waist on a ski with more sidecut (if that is what you are after).

The Icelantic Shaman is one ski that might fit the bill. Its comes in a 161 (12m radius) and 173 (15m radius).

There are a few reviews here and over on www.tetongravity.com/forums that provide more info.
post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
The challenge becomes finding a wider waist on a ski with more sidecut (if that is what you are after).

The Icelantic Shaman is one ski that might fit the bill. Its comes in a 161 (12m radius) and 173 (15m radius).

There are a few reviews here and over on www.tetongravity.com/forums that provide more info.
Hmmm - the Shaman is just about what I had in my head before I went looking. I've been reading up on it over lunch.

Anybody know if they do pro form? - I've got an email into the company.

I found some last year's 161s for $399, but figure if anyone should be on the 173 it would be me.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by hazmat View Post
yes - by "curvy" I mean turny. Something that comes around quick & not just on a carved turn - skiing eastern trees = foot rotation = sliding the turn.

I keep hearing good things about the wateas - how come ski / skiing magazine (www.skinet.com) don't rate them high? score of 2.5 vs. 3.7 for the mantras?

So 94 is still a midfat? what is "fat"? Is this a East vs. West thing?

Thanks for all the ideas keep em coming - time to call around to find a demo...
I have found that the Wateas can be pushed into almost any turn size/shape; the tails will come around nicely in skid turns. They are more versatile than the inherent 22m radius suggests.

You seriously need to take ski reviews with a grain of salt -- they can be good, but more often than not I find that my tastes do not agree with theirs. The Mantras get a lot of respect around here and they have done well in tests. But I demoed some last year and didn't really fall in love with them, not nearly to the point where I wanted to buy a pair. That doesn't mean you wouldn't like them, however.
post #14 of 19
IMO skiing trees, sliding/smearing turns is more about flex pattern (soft snow wants softer flex front and rear) and tip to tail ratios (narrow tails relative to tips rock for smearing turns). Thus the Mantra is amazing in tight trees even though it's mildly stiff because it has that 17 mm diff front to rear and the flip tail to break away easily. OTOH, at your weight, agree that you'll overpower the Mantra - I weigh 80 lbs less than you and find the 177 barely has enough stability. I'd buy the 184 if I were to do it again.

Would argue for something wider and beefier. Whiteroom seems to love the Blizzard Argos back east, and it's definitely a big guys ski. Or get a 191 Supermojo. Again, has the stiffness, plus a nice rep for being nimble, carving well.
post #15 of 19

volkl mantras $329 2007 virtually new.

I have some 2007 volkl mantras for sale.
170 cm
rossignol axial 2 ti bindings
used 4 days solitude and 5 days brighton utah in Jan 2008
perfect condition
wrong ski for my daughter
maybe too short for you
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by sinski View Post
I have some 2007 volkl mantras for sale.
170 cm
rossignol axial 2 ti bindings
used 4 days solitude and 5 days brighton utah in Jan 2008
perfect condition
wrong ski for my daughter
maybe too short for you
170cm, 240 lbs, :
post #17 of 19
Is there anyone who is able to compare Mantra in 177cm to Watea94 178cm?
post #18 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max_501 View Post
The challenge becomes finding a wider waist on a ski with more sidecut (if that is what you are after).

The Icelantic Shaman is one ski that might fit the bill. Its comes in a 161 (12m radius) and 173 (15m radius).

There are a few reviews here and over on www.tetongravity.com/forums that provide more info.
Those really seem interesting. Why are they only in so short lengths? Will that be the new kind of powderskis?
I'm stupid enough to ask and not just go to tgt -.- sorry
post #19 of 19
I haven't skied the Watea, but am on last year's Fischer Atua (186, 96 underfoot) and love it!! I am 6'3" 240, ski out east and ski these every day. The twin makes it ski a lot shorter and you can get your tails around easily in the eastern trees. Great ski in the powder, bumps, groomers, etc. If you can find one it is an awesome ski.

If you are looking for a fatter ski check out the Gotama 183. It is a great ski and will give you a little more float (105 underfoot) but still rocks on anything you will ski out east, and will be great for any Western trips. I felt the 183 was a little short for me especially when I head out west, but would make for a great eastern ski.

REI has a decent deal on the Goat, around $550.
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