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Fischer RC4 RC ?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I can not understand the intended purpose of the RC4 RC. Where does it fit in with the Progressor, the SL, and the GS? Skipress.com has it listed as a GS ski. Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 21
It is an odd ski It has a small turnradius - even smaller than the sx9 :O. It is a cheater ski that is supposed to be similar to the GS model - just like any other cheater ski vs. racestock ski.. The GS is a racestock. The SL is a racestock. The Progressor is something inbetween the RC and an all-mountain ski. The SC - which you missed - is the retail SL ski.. I'm testing the rc4 wc rc in mid february and comparing it to my now sold atomic gs12pb... Normally the gap between racestock and retail wouldn't be that large when speaking turnradius, but the wc rc4 is a gs ski..
post #3 of 21
In between the Progressor and WC GS, would be my opinion. The Progressor is more of a free ski, the WC RC more of a cheater GS, but both are similar. The WC RC is increasingly aimed at those who want a GS ski, at least partially for the course, but not a race-stock sidecut. The Progressor is what most people are going to for high-speed groomer duty that is more versatile.
post #4 of 21
It's a "race carver" (isn't that what RC stands for ... maybe it's something similar in German). It's designed to carve medium to large-ish radius turns on hardpack, at reasonable speeds while on the feet of good, but not world-class, skiers. Which may actually be a bigger niche than some of the others.

In my observation, it's a very popular ski for Masters GS racing.

GS - for GS racing, particularly if you need to comply with FIS sidecut limits.
SL - for slalom racing
RC - for GSish turns and GS racing if you're not world-class and don't need to comply with sidecut limits
SC - for slalom-ish turns and slalom racing if you want a softer ski
Progressor - Kind of a cross between a carver and an all-mountain ski
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston View Post
It's a "race carver" (isn't that what RC stands for ... maybe it's something similar in German). It's designed to carve medium to large-ish radius turns on hardpack, at reasonable speeds while on the feet of good, but not world-class, skiers. Which may actually be a bigger niche than some of the others.

In my observation, it's a very popular ski for Masters GS racing.

GS - for GS racing, particularly if you need to comply with FIS sidecut limits.
SL - for slalom racing
RC - for GSish turns and GS racing if you're not world-class and don't need to comply with sidecut limits
SC - for slalom-ish turns and slalom racing if you want a softer ski
Progressor - Kind of a cross between a carver and an all-mountain ski
The Fischer RC4 WC RC has been one of the most successful recreational league race skis made for about four or so seasons now. It has a radius of 16m @ 175cm. The Fischer RC4 WC RC has a tighter turn radius than a FIS legal GS race ski to better reflect how the gates in recreational race courses are often set. IMHO,
sjjohnson, Grook and dawgcatching have each done a good job of describing the Fischer RC4 WC RC.
post #6 of 21
GS - GS -sized turns at speed and GS racing
RC - smaller than GS-sized turns at speed. Also better than GS when speed is lower than GS racing speeds, but still high.
SC - even smaller turns at speed, forgiving of mistakes.
SL - slalom racing.

The SC and RC will perform a variety of tasks well, even when not being pushed to their limits.

The speeds at which the skis work best also corresponds to their turn radii; you won't be making 5-m turns at 50 mph.
post #7 of 21
The RC is definitely a cheater GS ski as others have said. Instead of needing to be pushed or really carved, it will hook up and give you a GS turn with the role of an ankle. Changing turn radius can be tougher, i.e., skidding when you need to since the tail doesn't want to release. That would be my only complaint. But skidding scrubs time anyway

Anybody need a pair of RC's in 180?
post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys! Is the RC is still the same race construction but with a greater sidecut than the GS ?
post #9 of 21
Very close. The Fischer RC4 WC RC is a wood core sandwich construction ski with vertical sidewalls. It also comes with a race plate though it is a different race plate than the Fischer RC4 GS ski.
post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by Dauntless View Post
I can not understand the intended purpose of the RC4 RC. Where does it fit in with the Progressor, the SL, and the GS? Skipress.com has it listed as a GS ski. Thanks in advance.
Ski it and you'll understand...assuming you truly know how to carve.
post #11 of 21
Beer league ski: one of my favorite ALL time skis, great for out of gates carving, a demanding ski thou
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
The speeds at which the skis work best also corresponds to their turn radii; you won't be making 5-m turns at 50 mph.
Will you be making 5-m turns at 50 mph on any ski?
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Will you be making 5-m turns at 50 mph on any ski?
No. That's my point.
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jay_p View Post
Ski it and you'll understand...assuming you truly know how to carve.

I truly know how to carve. It seems that the RC4 RC would be similar to my current Elan RipStick: sandwich construction, titanium plate, vertical sidewalls. Can anyone make a comparison after having skied both?
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by Dauntless View Post
Thanks guys! Is the RC is still the same race construction but with a greater sidecut than the GS ?
I've heard from several knowledgable people that the contruction is not the same. And, that the RC is actually stiffer.
post #16 of 21
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I've heard from several knowledgable people that the contruction is not the same. And, that the RC is actually stiffer.
They are both very similar in that they are have wood core, sandwich constructions with vertical sidewalls and titanal. Yes, they have different flex patterns and sidecuts. I've never skied the RC4 GS ski but have two pairs of Fischer RC4 WC RC skis. The Fischer RC4 WC RC is relatively stiff as it is a race carver, but certainly not impossibly so. I'm 5' 11" and 185 lbs. My Fischer RC4 WC RC skis are 175cm.
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Dauntless View Post
I truly know how to carve. It seems that the RC4 RC would be similar to my current Elan RipStick: sandwich construction, titanium plate, vertical sidewalls. Can anyone make a comparison after having skied both?
The RIPstick is a bit softer ski, has more energy in the tail, and is a little less stable at high speeds, as well as being more of a cross in feel between a bit snappier slalom and a higher-speed GS ski. The WC RC is a bit more stable, stiffer, and GS oriented. The Elan GSX Fusion Pro (the RIPstick with much more metal) is the ski that matches up to the WC RC, although I feel that the GSX is even a bit more ski than the WC RC: it is a little more stable, and feels perhaps a little less forgiving than the WC RC.

Quick answer: the WC RC is a more GS-specific ski than your RIPstick. They are somewhat similar, but not the same.
post #18 of 21
The Fischer Worldcup RC is one of my all time favorites, I have owned a pair every year since their inception. The ski is basically a GS cheater ski, great for every day carving. The ski works well on hard pack, ice, groomed and even moderate crud. The newer Flow Flex version is softer and more playfull than the previous models. I prefer this ski over the Progressor which I also owned.
post #19 of 21
I am interested in the Fischer worldcup RC also. I have not been able to try it. Is the worldcup RC similar to my Atomic SX 11 which I also consider to be a cheater GS 11.

Thanks.
post #20 of 21
WTH? I've been hijacked!
post #21 of 21
Please disregard the last post. My bad. Posted to the wrong thread.......need more coffee. My apologies!
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