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Why the round hole in the Fisher Sl skis?

post #1 of 16
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I was watching the combi race on tv today and I noticed that the new Fisher SL skis had a round hole in the tip of the ski. The hole looked like it was about 3-4 inches across. Both the skis that the racers were using on the course and in the podium area had the hole in the tip. I assume that the idea is to reduce the swing weight of the ski, but I thought someone (dynastar or head??) tried this idea out before in the 1980s and it was a bad idea.
post #2 of 16
My guess is that it makes the very tip of the ski a little more flexible, thus allowing it to better follow the snow and draw the ski into the turn while providing a better grip, the very tip need not be that strong. It also has less mass to control at that location.
post #3 of 16
Two reasons:

1) Makes the tip less torsionally stiff.
2) Reduces the swing weight.

Result: The skis are not as hooky or grabby and end up being more maneuverable and quicker because of the reduced swing weight. There is a thread at the Modern Ski Racing forum and the PMTS forum on the skis right now. Fischer is one of our sponsors at MSR, so we may get the official scoop on these as well as a chance to ski them... The skis I am on this season are the same ones they are skiing on the WC, but without that cut-out, and I will say they are hooky.

Later

Greg
post #4 of 16
reduces drag
post #5 of 16
Ghost and Heluva are probably right...the old speed event (DH, SG) ski designs sometimes toyed with holey-tips to avoid "wind lift", but I bet the slower speed skis now with holes are losing weight (Kastle's new skis have a cutout tip with a membrane thingie inserted in the hole) and making the shovel more compliant to terrain and pressuring, getting it more responsive.

Funny you should post the question...I just got an E-mail today from the Mazzoni brothers at Spoilt Skis in Italy saying they are playing with a new prototype race carver with (you guessed it)..a hole in the tip ! Claudio says he really likes the way the shovel stays in contact with the terrain. The other cool thing is watching snow come in the front of your ski....if you're into that kind of thing... ;-)

post #6 of 16
Woo Hoo!! Reminds me of those old Fisher RC4 skis with the stripes down them. Wanted a pair really bad
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post #7 of 16
I'd be really surprised if the design makes it into the stock skis that are available to the public. I wouldn't be surprised to see a significant reduction in materials around the tip in future skis though... depending on how this experiment works on the WC.
Later,
Greg
post #8 of 16
*grabs hole saw, starts looking around wild-eyed, no SCX is safe*
post #9 of 16
Makes it easier to lock 'em up, too...
post #10 of 16
This was introduced so that beginners can tie a rope between the 2 tips and easily do the wedgy or pizza pie down the hill as part of their learning process. No need for the edgy-wedgy or whatever are sold that you put on th kids skis when starting out....:

We all have known a beginner that had to start out on the same skis as they see the pros using....
post #11 of 16

What he said...

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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
Two reasons:

1) Makes the tip less torsionally stiff.
2) Reduces the swing weight.

Result: The skis are not as hooky or grabby and end up being more maneuverable and quicker because of the reduced swing weight. There is a thread at the Modern Ski Racing forum and the PMTS forum on the skis right now. Fischer is one of our sponsors at MSR, so we may get the official scoop on these as well as a chance to ski them... The skis I am on this season are the same ones they are skiing on the WC, but without that cut-out, and I will say they are hooky.

Later

Greg
...the additional news is that the FIS is probably going to make them illegal next year. Now is that progress or what? Way to go, FIS...
post #12 of 16
Mario Matt didn't have the holes when he won the slalom in Schladming last week on Fischer skis. Some of the others did however...
post #13 of 16
One question What happens if you ski like 50mph and - just for fun - make a poleplant in that hole?
post #14 of 16
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One question What happens if you ski like 50mph and - just for fun - make a poleplant in that hole?
You get kicked off the race team?
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You get kicked off the race team?
haha Pablo Fransisco:" Either you gonna go to jail. Or you gonna die. But the good thing is; you're gonna feel real good!"
post #16 of 16
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One question What happens if you ski like 50mph and - just for fun - make a poleplant in that hole?
You get a Darwin award.
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