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post #1 of 25
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Miller
Kostelic
Schoenfelder

Bode is now in the overall lead ...

Andrew Weibrecht of Lake Placid was 35 in the combi .... a kid to watch ...
post #2 of 25
Go Bode.
post #3 of 25
I couldn't look, he went all out in the slalom, I was sure he was gonna lose it. Great to have an American in the lead of the WC overall again. By the way, just to stir the s*** (and 'cause my hill is basically shut down by galeforce winds today), I've been thinking about the whole Bode vs. Phil thing. You know, it's not as clear cut as just the number of wins. Mahre won the WC overall three times. He also has that Olympic Gold. And he competed at a time when the greatest skier of all time was at the height of his powers, possibly robbing him (Mahre) of more potential wins. Certainly, Bode compares well. More World Championships, wins in every discipline, more wins overall. Just saying, three WC overalls is pretty special.
post #4 of 25
Bode wins despite having bruises and a tweaked left knee! Hope he can keep it going and recover in time for the up coming weekend.
post #5 of 25
If the Olympics had used the Super Combi formula, Miller would definitely have won the gold. Just saying.
post #6 of 25
Yeah! Go Bode! Go Team America!

post #7 of 25
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If the Olympics had used the Super Combi formula, Miller would definitely have won the gold. Just saying.
Did he not straddle in the 1st run?
post #8 of 25
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Did he not straddle in the 1st run?
Well, yeah, but, you know, he was obviously already thinking about the second. Hey, isn't that Julia Mancuso over there?
post #9 of 25
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You know, it's not as clear cut as just the number of wins.
Somebody thought it was clear cut? I still think Mahre was the better and more successful racer.
post #10 of 25
All such records are pretty much subject to distinction where an interval of time is involved.

Some will argue that Stenmark's best days were behind him when Mahre came along. Others, that rule changes not just Mahre brought and end to Stenmark's overall WC championship titles. Still others note that careers last longer today thanks to modern medicine and there are more races today than in the days of yore so more opportunities to win. Still, a record is a record. To me it shows mainly that the USA still produces great skiers from time to time.
Congratulations Bode Miller.
post #11 of 25
Good points all. Certainly, Mahre's later years did not coincide with Stenmark's best, though Mahre was competing at a high level when Stenmark was at the height of his powers (witness the Lake Placid Olympics). It's also true that Bode had Mr Meier to contend with in the early part of his career, so no easy going there, though at that time he, Bode, was more of a slalom specialist. Agreed, both great skiers, and no one would argue that they're not easily the two best ever produced by the US.
post #12 of 25
Dont forget the "performance enhancing drugs" factor, who knows what kind of crap those athletes of yore put into their bodies (for all sports). Remember anabolic steroids were once very legal and very easily obtained by Joe Nobody...imagine for an elite athlete.
post #13 of 25
I really hope that Bode wins the cup, and then I can think about all those oh-so-wise bears who said that he couldn't make it without the USSA's backing, and I shall laugh a healthy guffaw, oh yes, I shall.
post #14 of 25
He would only be, what, the second skier to win a World Cup without a national team's support, another milestone. Though you could argue that Janica Kostelic's "national" team consisted basically of her family. Still, I'd hate to see the conclusion drawn that Miller won (if he wins) the Cup because he left the team. First, even in his "worst" seasons, he was still a Cup contender. And second, not to take anything away from any of the top contenders right now, but if Svindal doesn't take that fall we might be looking at a very different season.

I wouldn't want younger skiers to all of a sudden think leaving the USST (or any nat'l team) is the best way to go. Bode, Ghiradelli and Kostelic are/were exceptional cases, exceptional talents.
post #15 of 25
True.
Add to that the fact that those who are IN the US national team aren't exactly putting up lousy performances either!!!
post #16 of 25
Im thinking that Bode winning the globe will do a world of good to the perception of the WC magnas...

We absolutely have to get away from the National team perspective.
post #17 of 25
Hmm, not everyone is as good as Bode is though.
Not everyone has the record he does, it will be really hard for other racers to find funding and training without a well-organised, well-funded and natinally endorsed federation behind them.
Offcourse, I don't know how USSA meets up to those three criteria
post #18 of 25
How do you think skiing stacks up against other sports in terms of per-athlete training costs?
post #19 of 25
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How do you think skiing stacks up against other sports in terms of per-athlete training costs?
Having lived it I can say Extreme to morbidly above-what-it-should-be.

I'm not saying people should go at it alone. I'm thinking factory teams or sponsored teams or something in that area of thought... Would be much better than to put the athletes in the hands of a crooked national organization that cannot fund them properly.
post #20 of 25
Good on the Bodester !!!

Andy Weibreicht a local kid doing VERY well for himself . His parents own Mirror Lake Inn in Placid --GO Andy !!!
post #21 of 25
Thread Starter 
Seems Bode has been hitching his training horse to the other ski teams he has been training with.

In effect, he has abandoned the USST and is tethered to other national teams. Not quite a solo venture is it?

Point, if the other national teams disband ..... where is the structure for any training?
post #22 of 25
It does seem that the nature of ski racing--particularly the on-hill training aspect--necessitates some sort of large, funded team. Though as one of the posts above noted, the teams could just as well be factory-sponsored 'a la cycling as national.
post #23 of 25
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not to take anything away from any of the top contenders right now, but if Svindal doesn't take that fall we might be looking at a very different season.
It would definitely be a race as Svindal is an amazing skier. But he took himself out on a course that the other contenders also had to ski and survive. Skiing smart and avoiding injury is just as much a part of skiing as are the races. And Bode Miller has shown he can recover from situations that would put lesser athletes in the hospital. I have no stats to back me up, but I'll bet that in any given year, a significant percentage of the top contenders are out with injury, perhaps more so than most sports.
post #24 of 25
Hmmm.....I think the national ski teams are a manifestation of skiers to meet their needs, at least they start that way. My thoughts regarding Bode's situation was along the lines that the team sought to impose sanctions on the skiers, and in doing so, ceased to be acting as a support for him, but rather as a contol on him. The team should exist for the skiers, to facilitate their efforts, not as an overlord.
post #25 of 25
Bode Miller is an over-weight, washed up "has been", who will never amount to anything further especially without the US ski Team. Besides that, he is a bad influence on the Team which now has much better racers than he ever was. Good riddance to Mr. Miller.

Oops. -Anon. USST

Congratulations Bode Miller.
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