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post #1 of 27
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He needs some big skis! Stats are 6'1" and 195 lb. His everyday skis are 178 Legend 8000s, which he likes a lot.

We are going to Utah in 10 days, and then he tells me he also has a Steamboat Powdercat trip AND a heli trip lined up during the week after we return. (Without me, grumble grumble.)

I think I can get some K2 Apache Chiefs or Seth Vicious in a 188 for a good price ... sound good? Any other suggestions? He doesn't really want to spend bunches of $$ on them, so this year's models are probably out. And he generally prefers a softer ski (Rossis as opposed to Volkls, for example).
post #2 of 27
I am the LAST person who *should* be answering this, as I am a small woman and my husband snowboards, but what about a K2 Hellbent? I have heard some good things about them (and seen some OK prices) and K2 does have a reputation for a softer, damper ski.

post #3 of 27
sounds like he could use a pair of dedicated powder skis
post #4 of 27
My usual response to this, which not doubt will bore everyone:

Considering availability & the 10 day time limit - maybe use your supporter discount to snag a pair of 189 Pontoons from bc.com. I believe Porters may do a supporter discount as well. Or see what a package price from untracked.com looks like - they may not always be the cheapest - but uber knowledgeable and reliable (definitely worth checking). Or maybe the usual cast of local vocal dealers have some 'toons hidden away in the closet? You get the idea... Considering the $$$ for a cat + a heli trip, the last thing you want to do is skimp on a couple hundred bucks in ski price difference (especially for skis that will see more use than you think they will). These skis are life changing in the kind of conditions you'll hope to hit. And not too bad on inbounds freshies, or spring mank either.

The Hell Bent is a great ski as well. But not quite as utterly brain dead easy in powder. However it is versatile enough that he might decide to use it as his everyday ski (I kid you not) if he had a pair. I'd check the same dealers - but they have been sold out lots of places. Given what you said, a 179 Hell Bent would likely be the right size - and check all the gazillion mount point threads on the net.

There may be a few used ones of each of these floating around in the world for reasonable prices as well.

On the more conventional fat side, there may still be some deals on Sumos floating around (paging ptex1...). I've never tried them, but they seem to get lots of love from folks who give them a try.
post #5 of 27
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
My usual response to this, which not doubt will bore everyone:

Considering availability & the 10 day time limit - maybe use your supporter discount to snag a pair of 189 Pontoons from bc.com. I believe Porters may do a supporter discount as well. Or see what a package price from untracked.com looks like - they may not always be the cheapest - but uber knowledgeable and reliable (definitely worth checking). Or maybe the usual cast of local vocal dealers have some 'toons hidden away in the closet? You get the idea... Considering the $$$ for a cat + a heli trip, the last thing you want to do is skimp on a couple hundred bucks in ski price difference (especially for skis that will see more use than you think they will). These skis are life changing in the kind of conditions you'll hope to hit. And not too bad on inbounds freshies, or spring mank either.

The Hell Bent is a great ski as well. But not quite as utterly brain dead easy in powder. However it is versatile enough that he might decide to use it as his everyday ski (I kid you not) if he had a pair. I'd check the same dealers - but they have been sold out lots of places. Given what you said, a 179 Hell Bent would likely be the right size - and check all the gazillion mount point threads on the net.

There may be a few used ones of each of these floating around in the world for reasonable prices as well.

On the more conventional fat side, there may still be some deals on Sumos floating around (paging ptex1...). I've never tried them, but they seem to get lots of love from folks who give them a try.
Thanks ... first, why a 179 Hell Bent but a 189 Pontoon?

As far as the outlay in $$, I understand what you're saying. But he is a guest on the heli and cat trips -- ie not paying -- so that particular logic won't work. Then of course comes the "well, then you'll have more money to spend on skis" opposite logic! It's always easy to justify.

I personally don't care what he buys: I have four pairs of skis, which he finds somewhat ridiculous. So this isn't like someone excited for the chance to buy new skis, which is how most of us would feel. He sees it as more of a pain in the ass. (Which is why I'm doing it for him.)

But I'll work on him....
post #6 of 27
Hell Bents and Pontoons are great powder skis but they are also a lot of ski. The Seths are great in powder but much more managable & fun on groomers, in moguls, crud, traversing, etc. I would go with them.
post #7 of 27
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Thanks ... first, why a 179 Hell Bent but a 189 Pontoon?
First, they are very different skis. The Pontoon, while it has a hybrid "sidecut" turns and pivots in a manner closer to a full "reverse/reverse" ski. Among the side effects is that it fits in with the reputation of "reverse" skis skiing short. The Hell Bent on the other hand has fairly conventional side cut (relatively speaking). While it floats like crazy, it turns in a more conventional manner. So at least IMO it skis more "its length" even though it is rockered.

Second, the sizing on the Hell Bent is just strange. The Hell Bents are really quite a bit longer than their specified size. You'll find comments about this all over the net. So a 179 Hell Bent is actually about half way between a 179 and 189 Pontoon. And the Pontoons don't exactly measure short...

Note that neither of these skis lacks for surface area - and hence float. At either size in either ski. If your husband is a fan of tight trees in powder, he could even do the 179 Pontoons & they'd probably ski great for him. OTOH, the 189 Pontoons are amazingly nimble for their size - but will also let someone on the bigger end of the size spectrum let them run a bit more out in the open... It is more a matter of preference than whether or not they will float you. I was guessing on use given the OP.
post #8 of 27
gotamas are great in powder, and will pretty much handle all other conditions you will find in utah. and although they are volkl, they are not stiff. 183 should provide enough float for him in powder and be nimble enough for tight spots.
post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 
Oops, I meant Seth Vicious, not Pistol. Edited OP.
post #10 of 27
Thread Starter 
What about 183 Sugar Daddies? I think they are 2004/2005 vintage.

Yes, I'm still budget shopping. But considering more options ...
post #11 of 27
Salomon 1080 Gun / Pocket Rocket
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by Rio View Post
Hell Bents and Pontoons are great powder skis but they are also a lot of ski.
not really, especially for a 195lb man.
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The Seths are great in powder
just not AS great. He already has 8800s why not get a pontoon or hellbent?
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but much more managable & fun on groomers, in moguls, crud, traversing, etc.
All of which are the primary reasons that I would go on a Heli/Catskiing trip.:
post #13 of 27
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not really, especially for a 195lb man. just not AS great. He already has 8800s why not get a pontoon or hellbent?
Actually 8000s ...

And I keep saying, He doesn't want to spend a lot of money.

Of course, as I AM the wife, part of my God-given role is to persuade him to spend more money than he otherwise would have ... so I'll do my part.
post #14 of 27
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Well, that wasn't so difficult.

One pair of 179 Hell Bents en route from bc.com.

THANKS to all for the suggestions.

I am about to order a set of Salomon Super Wide Brakes to supplement a pair of S912s to mount on them ... am I missing anything?
post #15 of 27
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Well, that wasn't so difficult.
... am I missing anything?
The difficult part will be deciding where to mount them. Like all K2 "Factory Team skis" they have a big "suggested" range --- specifically from 0 to core center at +7.5.

Check the threads here, TGR and the K2 forums if you want to nerd out. My guess is is that he's not a jibber & you'll want to set him up somewhere between +2 and +4. The one absolutely consistent theme seems not to go less than +2.
post #16 of 27
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am I missing anything?
Something to cover the topsheet. Ugh.
post #17 of 27
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Something to cover the topsheet. Ugh.
Hopefully, lots of snow will cover it up most of the time.

(Or maybe that's the problem with too much float?!?)
post #18 of 27
Shoulda checked out some moment (not movement) skis
Bents are pretty sick though, and EP Pro's, as well as Bacons.
Atomic Thugs are pretty dope too.
post #19 of 27
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Something to cover the topsheet. Ugh.
LOL ... well, we received the skis and were laughing about the rad graphics. You see, hubby is a pretty buttoned-up preppy type. I told him he should dig up some old Republican bumper stickers to put on them (he is a veteran of the very first Bush White House, back in the early 90s).

So he managed to find a few, including "Free Kuwait" and the coup de grace, "Bush-Quayle 92"! Gag. We need to find one of the GOP elephant. I'm sure he has some Reagan stickers from high school somewhere, too.

I'm pretty sure this will prevent them from ever being stolen.
post #20 of 27
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LOL ... well, we received the skis and were laughing about the rad graphics. You see, hubby is a pretty buttoned-up preppy type. I told him he should dig up some old Republican bumper stickers to put on them (he is a veteran of the very first Bush White House, back in the early 90s).

So he managed to find a few, including "Free Kuwait" and the coup de grace, "Bush-Quayle 92"! Gag. We need to find one of the GOP elephant. I'm sure he has some Reagan stickers from high school somewhere, too.

I'm pretty sure this will prevent them from ever being stolen.
Similar security mechanism to the Praxis protos I saw the crew finishing while I was picking up my 195s: White topsheets, emblazoned with an obscene statement about the desires of the rider.
post #21 of 27
Don't forget to post pics!!
post #22 of 27
Soooooooooooo?

BTW - where'd he mount them? Or, where'd you mount them?...
post #23 of 27
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Soooooooooooo?

BTW - where'd he mount them? Or, where'd you mount them?...
Uh, I think at 3. I'll have to ask. [just went and looked; yes, at +3]

And he liked them a whole lot ... especially our Alta day (Friday). Except for the traversing and hiking part. He did fine, but it was a little more work with such camber.

Thursday at Solitude, we skied lots and lots of trees and tighter spots, and he loved them there, too. At Snowbird (Saturday), all the snow had blown away so he skied the Legend 8000s -- it took a while to re-adjust. I don't know if it was that or the conditions or just being a little tired on the third day, but he said he felt like a hack all morning.

Now of course he wants a pair of bigger skis than the 8Ks for his everydays ...
post #24 of 27
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Don't forget to post pics!!
post #25 of 27
That sticker is $$$. Seriously LMAO when I figured out what it was.
post #26 of 27
Glad he's digging them. I would have winced a bit, maybe a lot, if he thought they sucked... Now I'll be curious about whether or not they turn into his "all mountain" skis.

And at least he had the good taste to pull out an old Bush I sticker
post #27 of 27
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Glad he's digging them. I would have winced a bit, maybe a lot, if he thought they sucked... )
Heh heh ... I was maybe a little tiny bit concerned, until I called around here and couldn't find any in stock, and one guy told me that K2 was out as well -- so I figured it wouldn't be too difficult to sell them if they were a bust.
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