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post #1 of 9
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(height/weight removed by request) Intermediate-Agressive Skier, leaning toward agressive.

Well, I just bought Tecnica Vento2 6 HVL's (http://shop.aspeneast.com/browse.cfm...7.html?AFF=ggl). I got them boot fitted properly and just took them out for my first time yesterday and second day today. I was using medium thickness socks. I feel pressure points in 3 areas after the two days (On one foot, 1 area on the other foot). It is not un-skiable pain but it does cause discomfort and feels stiff as hell/painfull when I take the boot off after a day of skiing. I was wondering if they would be able to blow the shell out in these areas. The 3 areas are:

Left Foot:

1) 3rd toe counting from bigtoe, left. (Getting some rubbing on side and a tad on top, I am sort of pigeon toed on that foot)
2) Arch top (I have a high arch, the top is being pressured)
3) A bone bump just right of the arch (On the side of my left foot)

Numbers 2 and 3 are directly under the 2nd buckle (The tighter I make it, the more pressure I feel)

Number 3 gives me the most pain, it is very red after skiing and hurts rubbing it AND pushing down on the bone.

Right Foot:

1) Same as number 3 on left foot but not half as bad, I don't even know if I should get this blown out because I only get minor redness after skiing.


I do not know if they can blow the shell out were the clip is. If they cant, I guess I can live with it since I just spent alot of money on these, buying new ones is not a choice. It wont stop me from skiing, but it will make me dread the evening and have much discomfort.

After the 2nd day I also noticed a little bruising on the ball of my left foot. I did take a bunch of ramps, no hard landings though. I do have foot problems such as flat feet and my toes are curved up so when I stand up, my toes barley touch the ground (for some reason it is only on my left foot). I dont think there is anything I can do about that with the boots since that is a foot condition. I did get orthodics for the insides of the boots also which I am using. The bruising problem I wouldnt really call a problem but it would be more enjoyable if I didnt have that problem.


Also, how should the canting be? I have no idea if that is set correctly or not because this IS my first pair of boots/skis/bindings and I really don't know too much about them. The bindings I have are Rossignol Axial 2 120 Ti Pro with K2 Public Enemy skis.

Sorry for the really long post, I just thought I would explain all my problems in one shot so we can see what I can do. Thanks a bunch guys!
post #2 of 9
Check the shell fit on the boot first. This is important as the boot will break in and the foot will start feeling sloppy and start rubbing in areas outside the norm for the lasting.

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I do not know if they can blow the shell out were the clip is. If they cant, I guess I can live with it since I just spent alot of money on these, buying new ones is not a choice. It wont stop me from skiing, but it will make me dread the evening and have much discomfort.
Rather than blowing out the shell in this area, I would rather investigate whether if the footbed and zeppa can be thinned to lower the foot. Also, the tongue can be worked on and allow the high instep more volume.

The bone bump on the left foot is probably you navicular bone. I would either try to re align the foot through footbed posting and/or work on the shell/liner to accommodate for the excess pressure. (by grinding or blowing out)

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After the 2nd day I also noticed a little bruising on the ball of my left foot. I did take a bunch of ramps, no hard landings though. I do have foot problems such as flat feet and my toes are curved up so when I stand up, my toes barley touch the ground (for some reason it is only on my left foot). I dont think there is anything I can do about that with the boots since that is a foot condition. I did get orthodics for the insides of the boots also which I am using. The bruising problem I wouldnt really call a problem but it would be more enjoyable if I didnt have that problem.
Possible causes:

1) The shell/liner was pressing down too much on your instep and the result was an increased pressure @ the first metatarsal head.

2) The upper cuff was pressuring the lower cuff in the instep area when you were jumping and compressing the instep resulting in first met head pressure.

3) You're over buckling the boot which has become sloppy,

4) Footbed not supporting or molded properly.
post #3 of 9
Thread Starter 
Ok I just did a bare foot shell fit. Yes, I did some image searching and looks like it is my medial cuneiform and navicular bone. From the shell fit the shell was pushing on both of those bones one each foot. The pressure and pain comes when I stand up.

The top of the foot was pretty far away from the shell because of the lack of the liner, I can probably work with the liner to fix that. And probem number 1 wasn't really present either.

It seems like the liner was padding me from the walls of the boot which is why didn't feel the cuneiform and the naviular bone to a very painful state while skiing.

I am going to fool around with the liner now to try to help problems 1 and 2 but number 3 looks like my only choice it to get it punched.

What do you think?

Thanks

I am pretty sure it is these spots




Edit: Yup, for number 2 it is the liner. Even without the boot on, just my foot in the liner I feel pressure on top. It is sensitive now from 2 days of skiing so I know exactly what causes the pain because even just pressing a little on it I feel pain. I couldn't feel this when I bought the boot because it was not sensitive in that area.

Would it be save to cut out that area? It is the hard plastic edging of the tongue directly above and to the right of the arch (Left foot). The plastic is padded but it is still hard. The thing is, to completely fix this problem I may have to cut out a chunk of it which may not be a good idea. It might leave sharp edges and stuff that are worse.

Right on the nerves, I have trouble picking out sneakers because of this problem and my high arch but it is much worse in the boot because there is much more pressure in this area.

post #4 of 9
How's the shell fit?
1) Pull liner out of shell
2) Put foot in shell
3) Move foot forward until your toes touch front of shell
4) How much space @ heel measured from back of heel to inside surface of
shell?
post #5 of 9
Thread Starter 
I pushed my toes JUST till they touched the end of the shell, not pressed against it and it was about a cm on my left foot and 1.5cm on my right. If I press it hard, I can get about an inch space but that is with toes bent inside. With the liner in, when I stand up straight my toes touch the front wall but when I lean forward I get room.
post #6 of 9
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Would it be save to cut out that area? It is the hard plastic edging of the tongue directly above and to the right of the arch (Left foot). The plastic is padded but it is still hard. The thing is, to completely fix this problem I may have to cut out a chunk of it which may not be a good idea. It might leave sharp edges and stuff that are worse.
The tongue can be modified for your instep issue.
Some of the solutions may need re sewing or re gluing.

1) Elastic tongue retainer loosened or completely removed
2) Plastic on tongue can be skived or cut to relieve pressure
3) Padding inside tongue can be thinned or removed to allow more volume
post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 
Ok, I think I am going to take it to the shop tomorrow to work with the tongue. Should I get the cuneiform and the naviular bone pushed out? Thanks
post #8 of 9
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Originally Posted by Tanner8 View Post
Ok, I think I am going to take it to the shop tomorrow to work with the tongue. Should I get the cuneiform and the naviular bone pushed out? Thanks
Get the area ground/blown out @ the shell and make sure the liner does not have any thickening in that area also.
post #9 of 9
Thread Starter 
Ok I went today, they blew it out and said it will probably have to be done another time or two after a few ski trips in order to retain the blow. Right now the "blow job" is excellent, haha that is the funniest sentence ever! I feel no pain in those areas whatsoever. He then took the liner and ground it a little and tried a few modifications to the tongue and said he lowered the foot as much as possible, but it was still on the nerve. The only choice left was too cut that section of plastic out. He did that and now it feels excellent! The tongue is no longer pushing on to top arch nerve.

Thanks alot!
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