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post #1 of 27
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Just got a call from a friend... He's just got the call from his head office (he's a PBR rep!), and they told him that he's headed to Aspen this weekend for the X-Games. Apparently, the company's sponsoring some party-type stuff, or tents, or something. He doesn't really know what he's going to be doing there, but they're basically flying him down from Seattle to hand out for a few days. He's staying in the Hotel Colorado in Glenwood Springs, which also seems to be pretty nice (even if it's not exactly convenient to the slopes... It seems they didn't book a hotel until the last minute).

He doesn't ski (well, he grew up doing cross-country, but hasn't done that in forever), so it's kind of just a weekend of work. He doesn't have anything to do all day, since the events are at night. I think I could come up with a way to spend that time...

aaron
post #2 of 27
Yeah that isn't even right. Give that job to someone who skis.
post #3 of 27
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Originally Posted by scootertig View Post
Just got a call from a friend... He's just got the call from his head office (he's a PBR rep!), and they told him that he's headed to Aspen this weekend for the X-Games. Apparently, the company's sponsoring some party-type stuff, or tents, or something. He doesn't really know what he's going to be doing there, but they're basically flying him down from Seattle to hand out for a few days. He's staying in the Hotel Colorado in Glenwood Springs, which also seems to be pretty nice (even if it's not exactly convenient to the slopes... It seems they didn't book a hotel until the last minute).

He doesn't ski (well, he grew up doing cross-country, but hasn't done that in forever), so it's kind of just a weekend of work. He doesn't have anything to do all day, since the events are at night. I think I could come up with a way to spend that time...

aaron
Pabst Blue Ribbon?
post #4 of 27
Quality union made beer. My fave cheap beer since before hipsters with mesh hats started paying seven bucks a pop for them in bars.
post #5 of 27
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Pabst Blue Ribbon?
Is there another?

The funny part is, he's one of the most particular beer drinkers I know. He's gotten spoiled, living in the land of hops, and drinks almost exclusively highly-hopped West Coast IPA's and heavy, heavy beers like RIS's (Russian Imperial Stouts) and barleywines. And, he also of set me on the road to single malt scotches, so the dude doesn't exactly drink swill by choice.

But then, he's also a professional musician, which means he'll sell out his taste buds before he'll sell out his art!

And Garrett - if you've ever been to Seattle, you know the infestation of hipsters he's dealing with... Holy crap. I'm not sure he's paid enough to put up with that, even if you factor in the trip to Aspen...


aaron
post #6 of 27
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But then, he's also a professional musician, which means he'll sell out his taste buds before he'll sell out his art!
Needs a lesson from Phil on fine Gin and the art of skiing!!!
post #7 of 27
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Originally Posted by scootertig View Post
Is there another?

The funny part is, he's one of the most particular beer drinkers I know. He's gotten spoiled, living in the land of hops, and drinks almost exclusively highly-hopped West Coast IPA's and heavy, heavy beers like RIS's (Russian Imperial Stouts) and barleywines. And, he also of set me on the road to single malt scotches, so the dude doesn't exactly drink swill by choice.
PBR isn't exactly "swill." To produce beers that light and clean takes a lot more brewery-engineering/o-chem know-how than dumping a bag of high-alpha hops into a kettle. But, the lightness of the recipe is a legacy result of war rationing, Dustbowl crop failures, hop shortages, Prohibition, the abundance of corn, etc. Same goes for Bud, Miller, etc. History made American lager what it is, not corporate penny-pinching. Still, not my taste, but I respect the consistency and quality of the product and the skill required to replicate it over and over and over.

Besides, the days are numbered for those IIPAs/DIPAs and West Coast "hop bombs."

But, yeah.....he should at least rent some skis and pretend that he'll enjoy going to Aspen.
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by faber View Post
PBR isn't exactly "swill." To produce beers that light and clean takes a lot more brewery-engineering/o-chem know-how than dumping a bag of high-alpha hops into a kettle. But, the lightness of the recipe is a legacy result of war rationing, Dustbowl crop failures, hop shortages, Prohibition, the abundance of corn, etc. Same goes for Bud, Miller, etc. History made American lager what it is, not corporate penny-pinching. Still, not my taste, but I respect the consistency and quality of the product and the skill required to replicate it over and over and over.
Uh-oh, I've awoken another beer geek! I agree that the technical precision of the macrobreweries is pretty amazing, I'm partial to good craft beer. Brewers of the Bud/Miller/Coors type are freakin' scientific wizards, where oftentimes smaller brewers still get to be a little more artist than scientist. I do prefer PBR over the other (typically rice-based) macros, but given the choice, I'll take most classic German lager styles over the post-prohibition American Pilsner any day.

The corporate penny-pinching didn't create the situation, but it has led to the increased use of isomerized hop oils and extracts, and the massive reliance on six-row rather than two-row barley for the malt.

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Besides, the days are numbered for those IIPAs/DIPAs and West Coast "hop bombs."
That's why I've planted my own hops... Last year (first year) I didn't really get much, but I've got Sterling and Centennial hops going, so I should be able to at least get 1 or 2 pretty decently hopped brews out of them... I love Centennial... Bell's Two-Hearted may be my favorite widely distributed (at least here) IPA right now...


aaron
post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by scootertig View Post
Uh-oh, I've awoken another beer geek! I agree that the technical precision of the macrobreweries is pretty amazing, I'm partial to good craft beer. Brewers of the Bud/Miller/Coors type are freakin' scientific wizards, where oftentimes smaller brewers still get to be a little more artist than scientist. I do prefer PBR over the other (typically rice-based) macros, but given the choice, I'll take most classic German lager styles over the post-prohibition American Pilsner any day.

The corporate penny-pinching didn't create the situation, but it has led to the increased use of isomerized hop oils and extracts, and the massive reliance on six-row rather than two-row barley for the malt.



That's why I've planted my own hops... Last year (first year) I didn't really get much, but I've got Sterling and Centennial hops going, so I should be able to at least get 1 or 2 pretty decently hopped brews out of them... I love Centennial... Bell's Two-Hearted may be my favorite widely distributed (at least here) IPA right now...


aaron
OK My 2 cents here-also former amatuer brewer. We used to put PBR in the same class as Hamms and Schmidtt. It was considered alcohol for people that couldn't affort BEER. by beer I mean not fancy BEER, just basic beer like Michelob or Bud. PBR was the bottom of the barrel, pun intended. But WTHC? I'd let a toilet paper company fund my trip to the XGAMES WOW! :::::
post #10 of 27
When one of my buds orders a light beer I tell the waitress I'll have water. If he's not drinking I'm not either.
post #11 of 27
Yup, another beer geek here!

American lager/pilsner just not my taste. But I wouldn't call it a bad product: it is what it is.

Yeah, they use a lot of hop oils/extracts, but so do most large-scale brewers around the world. I would not have thought that it was for saving money but rather for ease of cleaning at those scales.

As for PBR and the young 'uns of today....it is so ironic that they have rejected craft beer and chosen PBR for its image of lack-of-image. If they really want to get anti-glam beer, they should go with Hamm's, Schlitz, Blatz, Rainier, etc. But from their point of view, I can see that sometimes you don't want a chocolate espresso cream stout dry-hopped with 900# of Cascade or a double imperial IPA with 425 IBUs or whatever. Sometimes you want a clean, crisp session beer. Maybe if more craft brewers started brewing craft-quality session beers instead of medal-contenders for the GABF.....
post #12 of 27
Yuengling's better than PBR (IMO). Hard to get it if you're not in the mid-atlantic, though. Lousy Pennsylvania export laws... *grumble*

It suddenly became super-trendy a few years back to drink "good cheap beer" (as opposed to "bad cheap beer", i.e. large-scale macrobrews, or "snooty beer", i.e. microbrews). I find I generally like a nice ale or lager more than most stouts or IPAs, but I suspect this is a case of microbrews becoming popular/well-known enough that they were no longer cool/different. Plus, PBR has retro-chic factor. But trendiness is not my strong suit.

As for the OP... didn't your friend offer to let you crash in his hotel room?!
post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by Matthias99 View Post
Yuengling's better than PBR (IMO).
That is not exactly an apples to apples comparison. I have never seen a Yuengling dollar draft. And I don't think I'd describe that stuff as difficult to find. It is even available here. My problem with it is the terrible quality control. If I'm going to drink something cheap and simple, it should be consistent.

Also, Dick Yuengling is a scumbag who strong armed the union out of his shop.

PBR for the win.
post #14 of 27
Everytime i lurk here i love it more and more, now we are talking about the two best things in the world sking and beer( as you get older they come before women). Pabst is great when your young nice and cheap and dont taste all that bad as the others, now schmitts was actually not a bad beer LOL. Germans have beer cornered, i like alot of the small american beers, long trail( one of my favs) saranac and so on. Bud is the worst how its the king of beers ill never know. I like yuengling once in a while not the best but good.
post #15 of 27
pretty much every american (and canadian) mass market light lager/pilsner tastes the same. how people can argue whether bud or miller high life, or pbr, or schlitz is the best i don't know. they are all pretty inoffensive, none is what i would call particularly good or bad. pbr has the advantage of being cheap.

some emo band has a line in a song:

the change under the sofa is all the money i could find
i've got pabst blue ribbon on my mind.


i think that sums it up nicely
post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by epl View Post
pretty much every american (and canadian) mass market light lager/pilsner tastes the same.
At least they should. Some have pretty bad quality control and taste pretty offensive. I have some Molson here that someone brought over the other night that is not really drinkable.

Rarely do I drink the american lagers anymore. I find myself drinking a lot less, and a lot more flavorful beers when I do. I'm very frightened WRT the impending doomsday scenario going on with hops...
post #17 of 27
well, hopefully english and czech farmers will pick up the slack in hops production, everything made with pnw hops tastes like grapefruit.
post #18 of 27
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This thread has gone a bit further off-topic, so if the mods want to move it, I'm OK with that. I got my anger out!

There are some good American lagers, but not many, and they're generally not widely distributed. On the geeky side, even Yuengling is fermented using an ale yeast, so it's not "really" a lager.

Brooklyn makes a nice pilsner, and until recently, the Old Dominion Brewing Company (my local craft brewer) made a great German style pils called "Tupper's Hop Pocket Pils".

Here's hoping the Czechs step in. My girlfriend is Czech-born and raised, so she's opened my eyes to how good a traditional Czech pilsner-style beer can be. If you haven't had it, find Pilsner Urquell in a can. MUCH different (and better) than the bottle. Even better (to my taste buds), find Staropramen. It's hard to find in the US, but it's worth it if you can (on draft... the green bottles are hell on beer...)

I don't mind the PNW hops in general, but if I never taste Cascade or Columbus hops again, it'll be too soon... Totally burned out on them...

aaron
post #19 of 27
New Glarus Brewery's Edel Pils. There's no better light lager/pilsner brewed in the States. Dan Carey is a talented, talented man.
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by scootertig View Post
This thread has gone a bit further off-topic, so if the mods want to move it, I'm OK with that. I got my anger out!

aaron

Hahahaha. I vote that someone move it to "what are you drinking right now" topic under the "food and drink" forum.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by scootertig View Post
Just got a call from a friend... He's just got the call from his head office (he's a PBR rep!), and they told him that he's headed to Aspen this weekend for the X-Games. Apparently, the company's sponsoring some party-type stuff, or tents, or something.
What's your friends name? I'll be at a bunch of the events and I am always up for free beer!
post #22 of 27
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His name's Bryan. Redheaded guy from Seattle. To my understanding, there will only be 2 PBR reps there. Him and some girl... If you find her, ask for him... Mention my name (Aaron... I don't think he'd know my by my s/n), and tell him i say hi...


aaron
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
Quality union made beer.
Actually, PBR isn't union-made anymore -- in 2001 they shut down their last brewery and now the Pabst Brewing Company just manages a portfolio of brands that have fallen on hard times (Old Style, PBR, I think they do Ballantine and Lonestar too) and they contract brew them all over the place.

So, nope there are no more union-made beers anywhere in America.

--A_0
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
Quality union made beer. My fave cheap beer since before hipsters with mesh hats started paying seven bucks a pop for them in bars.
ain't that the truth!

that's why i stick to Hamm's and Oly (still only $4 a can in SF at select fine libatory establishments).


I thought Lonestar was part of Oly (at least they were years and years ago when I toured the brewery in Olympia, WA). Ah, and Ballentine. I used to drink that when I painted (after seeing Jasper Johns' pewter cast of a sixer of Ballentine). And for some bizarred reason I've been seeing a lotta Old Style out here in Denver (I thought it was mostly a Chicago brew). Speaking of which, what ever happened to:

Burgie (this was always more preferable to me than PBR)
Stroh's
Schmidt
Shaeffer

Ah, the collegiate flashbacks..
post #25 of 27
So the side of the can is a lie? That is hard for me to swallow, no pun intended. I would think that sort of thing would yield lawsuits. Perhaps this varies by market.
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post #26 of 27
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So the side of the can is a lie? That is hard for me to swallow, no pun intended. I would think that sort of thing would yield lawsuits. Perhaps this varies by market.
Maybe the CAN is union made............
post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
Maybe the CAN is union made............
Ah, now that would make some sense.

edit: you can see to the right of the pic that the can was made by the Ball corporation. anyone know if their labor is organized?

Some links:
http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/beer.cfm
http://ask.metafilter.com/20661/Does...he-beer-or-can
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