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post #31 of 44
skiingbuff, welcome to EpicSki.

justanotherskipro is a top pro. I would suggest you take his offer and contact him. He will not steer you wrong, contrary to the implications from some others here. There are other folks at Keystone who can help you if you're concerned with JASP (although, again, there is no need to be). I do not work at Keystone, but am happy to put you into touch with some of the folks there who I know can guide you to great pros.
post #32 of 44
As someone who takes advanced group lessons about 1-2 times per year (I often end up as the only student at my level), considering you're going to Keystone, a major CO resort, I would probably recommend the group lesson. I think it'll be the best bang for your buck.

My experience is that at most major resorts with reputable ski schools, like others have stated, the instructors teaching the advanced lessons are usually more experienced and more highly certified. If you do take a group lesson, arrive 5-10 minutes early for your lesson and find the ski school supervisor. Tell him or her honestly they type of skiers you and your wife are (skill level, terrain you spend most of your time on, level of fitness, agressiveness, etc) and what you'd like to get out of your lesson. Be as specific as possible. Also, request a PSIA Level 3 certified instructor.

I haven't been to Keystone in many years but from it's reputation, it is not a resort that is known for it's advanced/expert/extreme terrain. It is known as a great family resort. This will likely work to your advantage as there will probably be less advanced skiers taking lessons at Keystone. However, you mentioned that you are self taught. When you and your wife do the ski off, your self taught technique (unless you two are naturals) will be easily identified by the ski school supervisor doing the class assignments. This might end up with you being placed in a lesson at a lower level than you might think. It all depends on how you ski and how you're evaluated. The holiday weekend also works to your disadvantage.

Yes, as JASP has stated, by taking a group lesson you won't be able to pick your instructor. What I've done with some success in the past to address this issue is to find out the names of about half a dozen good instructors at the resort you're going to (post a question on Epicski or ask JASP). When you talk to the ski school supervisor before your lesson ask whether one of those instructors is teaching group lessons and if so, request to have him/her as your instructor. This has worked for me probably 20-30% of the time I've done it.

If you aren't satisfied with your lesson inform the ski school either during or after your lesson. Talk to the supervisor or manager. Again, be specific about what you're not satisfied with. At a place like Keystone, if you're unhappy for vaild reasons they should be able to make it right.

If you are satisfied with your lesson, don't be shy in letting your instructor know. Also, depending on how satisfied you are and how many other students were in your group, don't be afraid show your appreciation by tipping your instructor. There has been much discussion on Epicski about tipping your instructor. My general rule of thumb is for an average quality group lesson with 3-6 students including me I start with ~10% of the cost of the lesson. If it's a 2 student lesson I usually start with ~15% and for a 1 on 1 group lesson I usually start with ~25%. I have tipped up to 50% for an exceptional lesson.

Hope this has been helpful. Have a great trip!
post #33 of 44
Thanks to all of you for your suggestions. They contacted me directly and we have set up their lesson(s)...
post #34 of 44
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Thanks to all of you for your suggestions. They contacted me directly and we have set up their lesson(s)...
So did you manage to sell an overpriced request private?
post #35 of 44
Volklskier,
I provide value regardless of the lesson package. I also provide information to potential customers about all of the products available through my school. At that point they can make an informed decision based on facts, not just opinions.
Their decision is theirs to share, if they choose to do so.
post #36 of 44
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Volklskier,
I provide value regardless of the lesson package. I also provide information to potential customers about all of the products available through my school.
Yeah so we noticed from your posts! ::::: :
post #37 of 44
Volklskier,
Why does it matter to you what skiingbuff does? Frankly I have no interest in continuing this silly conversation any longer. A lot of instructors donate their time and knowledge to others here at Epic. Most of these instructors are supporters which means we paid to participate on this site. I noticed you are a member but not a supporter, which usually means you are not paying a thing to participate on this site. I see a trend here. You seem to want a whole lot for very little.
post #38 of 44
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A lot of instructors donate their time and knowledge to others here at Epic. Most of these instructors are supporters which means we paid to participate on this site.
Feb 4, 2008

Hear Hear!!!

Saturday, while at Whitetail Resort, theRusty took time out from attending his own clinic to meet with me and offer advice on how to perform "pivot slips". This generous offer of advice, time and fellowship is indeed the norm which I have experienced on this forum. Many coaches here (being paid barely minimum wages and only for time spent when giving lessons) chip in with all kinds of encouragement and advice which is solicited from members of this forum. Having taken two Epic Ski Academy Stowe events from one of Keystone's top coach, I find it difficult to believe that one MUST go elsewhere to get outstanding ski coaching. Not to negate that top coaches are all over the place, if one knows where to find them.

Think snow,

CP

PS: why I'm listed as a member and not a supporter is puzzling.
post #39 of 44
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So did you manage to sell an overpriced request private?
post #40 of 44
At most resorts, level 3 instructors are on the private rotation. During a holiday it is reasonable to assume most will be assigned privates over the holiday, if they are not requested already.


If I had any level 3 instructors left, I would place them with beginner groups, not advanced.
post #41 of 44
We have a product called Big Easy. It's a 2-hour lesson only for level 1 children. Yesterday it was staffed by two level 3s. I thought that was kind of funny. It pretty much won't get better than that.
post #42 of 44
All the LIII, both ski and snowboard, as well as an examiner and a retired examiner, teach beginners and/or kids in either class or private lesson settings where I work.
post #43 of 44
Most level 3 instructor's and beyond are trying to establish a clientel. We are all happy to teach a first time group lesson, and find it very gratifying.

Paying the rent is also important, and most resorts understand. If a 1/2 day group lesson cost is $120.00 and a private is $360.00, you don't assign your level 1 or 2 instructor's to the private before you have used your level 3's.

The private rate is higher, and the private customer is almost guaranteed to tip.
post #44 of 44
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A local group of coaches taught me to ski like this: http://blip.tv/file/195915

If you want more info send me a PM.

If you go with the local program I'd start with a group lesson and if it doesn't suit your needs then move to a private.
That looks great and all but I don't see deep powder nor moguls. Can you ski like that on moduls and in the deep stuff?
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