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St anton and Bad Gastein - esque

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Over the past two years, I've traveled to Bad Gastein and At. Anton and loved both.

Specifically, I liked the:

1. Off-piste - great snow and a variety of off piste options
2. Expert Challenge - Lots of eye popping steeps
3. Great Europe scene
4. Relatively inexpensive housing eating an skiing options

Bad Gastein - my family loved the baths and this got bought me some time to ski on my own. Not that I do not love my family, I do, but I also love challenging skiing.

Any suggestions of where we should head to next?

A place in Germany or Austria that will that meet or beat st. anton and bad gastein using the above criteria (off-piste, steeps, inexpensive) My wife speaks fluent german and I speak a bit so off the beaten path is not a problem.

thanks,

asland
post #2 of 15
I'm afraid you can't really top St. Anton within Austria meeting the criteria you mentioned. Forget about going to Germany right away then.

If not too late in the season consider Engelberg in Switzerland. The Titlis is high but the resort itself pretty low elevated. Else I can recommend Verbier (stay in the valley below at Le Chable, Bruson ect.) or Cham but those are not German but decently English speaking.

There are more choices even in Austria but they aren't obvious - you need locals to show you the goods. Many of those aren't even lift served so you need to either hike or do AT.
post #3 of 15
Ischgl

Your have alot of Fun there !

It is a state of the Art resort with everything you can imagine. Also on the Ski Pass are the adjacent resorts of Galtur,Kappl ,See

Duty Free Shopping when you Ski over to Switzerland.

http://www.ischgl.com/
post #4 of 15
Sankt-Moritz in Switserland.
A bit out of the way and you'll have to take your time to find affordable lodging but great for skiing, both challenging on and off the runs!
post #5 of 15
Well, neither Ischgl nor St. Moritz do really meet the cheap and eye-popping steep criteria best IMHO.

Not too many people at Ritz ski off-piste so you don't have to fight too much competition. But sceneries are gorgeous, peaks are stunning and if you are into AT then this place is hard to beat - thousands of options around and some of the best in the entire eastern Alps.

Ischgl is sort of a gaper place with vast but not too challenging skiing except for the run under the tram down into Samnaun (avy-prone!). If willing to hike you can reach some nice chutes and pitches, no match with St. Anton though.
post #6 of 15
Engelberg is a great suggestion: tons of difficult skiing and relatively cheap. We've just booked Easter at the Berghotel Truebsee, and given all that is included in the price - meals and lift tickets - I can't understand why it's so cheap. For an even cheaper option, rooms at the Bellevue fit the bill.

The one issue you may need to consider, though, is if it fits your families needs. The on-piste is pretty limited and also pretty difficult. The village is also quite small, but very beautiful. I love the place, but if your family is looking for long cruisers and a cosmopolitan ski resort with lots of other activities, it may not be the best place to go.

I haven't been to Ischgl, but I have heard great things, and that there is plenty of expert off-piste terrain. But again, I haven't been there so I would take PowHog's advice over mine. It's probably comparable with St. Anton as far as prices go, I would guess. We're considering it for next year, ourselves.
post #7 of 15
If you want to change scenary but still want an ancient spa town, consider Bormio. It's very high as well, so snow is pretty secure.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by PowHog View Post
Well, neither Ischgl nor St. Moritz do really meet the cheap and eye-popping steep criteria best IMHO.

Not too many people at Ritz ski off-piste so you don't have to fight too much competition. But sceneries are gorgeous, peaks are stunning and if you are into AT then this place is hard to beat - thousands of options around and some of the best in the entire eastern Alps.

Ischgl is sort of a gaper place with vast but not too challenging skiing except for the run under the tram down into Samnaun (avy-prone!). If willing to hike you can reach some nice chutes and pitches, no match with St. Anton though.
There is plenty of Off- Piste in Ischgl and the Silvretta . Samnaum is where everyone goes. Theres plenty more
post #9 of 15
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There is plenty of Off- Piste in Ischgl and the Silvretta . Samnaum is where everyone goes. Theres plenty more
Silvretta yes for sure but AT.

Still St. Anton tops Ischgl by far when it comes down to lift accessed off-piste.
post #10 of 15
I recommend Zillertal in Austria. Great place for skiing :-) They have good offpiste, but also lots of green, blue and black runs. And not too expensive. :-)
post #11 of 15
if Sankt-Anton wasn't too expensive then Ischgl and Sankt-Moritz will be fine too

The areas arround Innsbruck give multiple option for freeride and offpiste skiing, not always enough snow though. (Stubai glacier is also near)
Nordpark (Seegrube) has the hafelekar abfahrt. And both in the ski area of Igls (Patscherkofel) and Glungezer you can find offpiste challenges while the comfort of a city is nearby.
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thank you everyone for all the great information. You’ve given me a lot to explore.

I have wcsn.com and have been watching a lot of the alpine events. Bormio and St. Moritz do look beautiful, at least at 80mph as the dowhillers fly by, and deserve a closer look.

For some reason, my wife has in her head that St. Moritz and Switzerland in general is tons more expensive than other places in Europe. Is this true?

Verbier is in the French speaking section of swtizerland so my wife would not get to speak a lot of german. That is deal killer although it looks awesome.

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Ischgl
It is a state of the Art resort with everything you can imagine. Also on the Ski Pass are the adjacent resorts of Galtur,Kappl ,See
http://www.ischgl.com/
I had a chance to check out there web site. It looks pretty good and when I read up on it in Ski and Snowboard Europe the author had a lot of good stuff to say about it. Definitely, a place I want to explore more.


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Originally Posted by ami in berlin View Post
Engelberg is a great suggestion: tons of difficult skiing and relatively cheap.

The one issue you may need to consider, though, is if it fits your families needs. The on-piste is pretty limited and also pretty difficult. The village is also quite small, but very beautiful. I love the place, but if your family is looking for long cruisers and a cosmopolitan ski resort with lots of other activities, it may not be the best place to go.

Engeberg looks very cool and again a very good write up in ski and snowboard Europe. I’ll explore this more.


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I recommend Zillertal in Austria. Great place for skiing :-) They have good offpiste, but also lots of green, blue and black runs. And not too expensive. :-)
I love the zillertal area. One of our favorite towns is krimml and we go there often. I have skied from gerlos to krimml and at wildkogel and enjoyed it. The snow was hard so I did not get to ski much off-piste. Where would you recommend for off-piste? We were able to do some alpine touring there which was fun.

Thanks again everyone,

asland
post #13 of 15
Off-piste in the Zillertal would either be in Hintertux (on the glacier), Lanersbach (Eiberg) or Hochfügen. I don't think the Zell-Gerlos-Königsleiten area is high enough to provide great off-piste snow.

Lodging in Switserland is generally a bit more expensive but if you take some time to search you can get good deals, especially when comparing to St.-Anton and Ischgl.
Skipass and food on the mountains will not be more expensive.
If you get a chance to go to St.-Moritz, then GO!
The scenery is stunning with the 3000'ers (meters that is) and the beautiful lakes in the valley. It's absolutely amazing. Try Silvaplana or Sils for lodging or Scuol or something.
post #14 of 15
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Skipass and food on the mountains will not be more expensive.
If you get a chance to go to St.-Moritz, then GO!
The scenery is stunning with the 3000'ers (meters that is) and the beautiful lakes in the valley. It's absolutely amazing. Try Silvaplana or Sils for lodging or Scuol or something.

That indeed is a cheaper way to go, find a hotel or appartment outside of Sankt-Moritz and then you won't be paying as much as you would when staying in Sankt-Moritz itself.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by asland View Post
For some reason, my wife has in her head that St. Moritz and Switzerland in general is tons more expensive than other places in Europe. Is this true?
That is a myth.

The big French stations de ski, like Courchevel, are more expensive than Switzerland. French hotels are dear in those sort of places.
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