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Bindings Pulling out of 2007/08 Volkl Gotamas

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Anyone had similar experiences this year? I had the heel piece pull out of my new Gotamas after 1 day of skiing. Had them remounted (new holes), and the same heel piece pulled out again after 3 hours of skiing (high speed ripping at Squaw - I am glad to be alive!). I heard thru the grapevine that this was not uncommon for this years Gotama. I'll be sending them back to Volkl shortly, and hopefully I won't get too much grief for not having a receipt - at least the shop knows that the skis were new in the wrapper when they mounted them!
post #2 of 20
Is it possible that the shop used the wrong drill bit when mounting them?
post #3 of 20
If that shop sells the Gotamas, I would have them give you a pair. Let them worry about sending them in for warranty. Since it happened so quickly it has to be a mounting problem.
post #4 of 20
I agree. You gave your money to the shop. The shop should replace the ski - resolve the problem - whatever it takes and then let them deal with Volkl. Otherwise, you're without skis until you get some satisfaction from Volkl!
post #5 of 20
No problems on my 07/08's so far. I thought they had added some metal & beefed up the binding area on the 07/08's to prevent exactly this type of thing from happening?
post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 
Well, if I had bought the skis at the shop, I would agree. However, I got them from a private party, albeit new and wrapped, and had the ski mounted at the shop. Wrong drill bit was my first thought, but they have been around along time, and I can't believe they would have done it twice in a row (and the other ski is holding up fine). Volkl claims that the ski has extra fiberglass wrapped around the middle, no metal that I know of....
post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by steveturner View Post
I agree. You gave your money to the shop. The shop should replace the ski - resolve the problem - whatever it takes and then let them deal with Volkl. Otherwise, you're without skis until you get some satisfaction from Volkl!

Even though you did not purchase the skis at the shop they are still liable for their tech work. And they won't be out any money because Volkl will replace the ski. This is probably the busiest time for the warranty department. You might not get your skis back until the late spring or summer.
post #8 of 20
If the shop screwed up the mount, why would Volkl replace the ski?

What would the defect be that causes the bindings to keep pulling out?
post #9 of 20
Can't it just be heli-coiled?
post #10 of 20
It sounds like the bindings were not installed properly because 06/07 and 07/08 Gotamas are stiffer than previous models and have extra layer of fiber glass. On my 04/05 Gotamas a front peace came out but that happened after 2 years of skiing on them. I had them remounted and the shop put the metal washers into the existing holes. Since then I have not had any problems.
post #11 of 20
What kind of bindings?
post #12 of 20
Definitely make the shop replace them for you. They will just return them to the Volkl anyway.
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by wizard View Post
No problems on my 07/08's so far. I thought they had added some metal & beefed up the binding area on the 07/08's to prevent exactly this type of thing from happening?
Other than the edges, there's no metal in Gotama's.

Take them back to the shop and explain what has happen. Make sure and talk to the manager of the shop. The shop (if they are a reputable one) should take care of their customer. Volkl warranties manufacturing defects. This does not sound like a manufacturing defect, this sounds like a shop binding mounting issue.



HB
post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 
They are Marker Free bindings - Shop said heli coils wouldn't hold either?!? I will be talking with the owner..after all, he should be able to tell me 100% that it is a ski defect, because there is only one other possibility... However, I have done quite a few quick and dirty mount jobs in my day, and I have never had anything like this happen, so I have a hard time believing that they could screw up that bad (even stoned) twice in a row. But we will see. I won't be back in Tahoe for another week or two, but I will post the outcome! Guess I may have to remount my old rocked out Gotamas (yes, they are my "one ski quiver..."
post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 

New Skiis

Well, just got back to Tahoe today, went into Granite Chief in Truckee, and the manager gave me a new pair off of the shelf, and mounted them up with a new ski tune (no charge for the mount or the tune). So they took very care of me even though I didn't buy the skiis from them...
post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by sobelski View Post
They are Marker Free bindings - Shop said heli coils wouldn't hold either?!? I will be talking with the owner..after all, he should be able to tell me 100% that it is a ski defect, because there is only one other possibility... However, I have done quite a few quick and dirty mount jobs in my day, and I have never had anything like this happen, so I have a hard time believing that they could screw up that bad (even stoned) twice in a row. But we will see. I won't be back in Tahoe for another week or two, but I will post the outcome! Guess I may have to remount my old rocked out Gotamas (yes, they are my "one ski quiver..."
Glad they took care of you. Regarding screw retention failure, the usual culprit is human error during mounting. Usually due to a stripped screw and sometimes wrong drill bit (although this is really unusual as most shops have drills pre-mounted with 3.5 and 4.1 mm bits. Most adult skis use 4.1 mm). There are multiple ways to fix a stripped screw, helicoiling being the best, epoxy and steel wool being faster, cheaper & less efffective. Helicoiling works on 99% of skis, the only exception being hollow core skis (i.e. older Hexcel). The strength of screw retention actually comes from the topsheet and not the core as many skis use foam cores, which structurally have poor retention. When you say they remounted them, did they remount into the original holes? If yes and they didn't use helicoils, then the likelihood of another screw pull out is higher. It is good that they took responsibility and fixed you up.
post #17 of 20
I just picked up a pair of binding pulled out 07-08 gotamas for free, no clue what I should mount to them, I was thinking Px15tis since I keep killing px12tis and getting play rather quickly.

FYI the skis were mounted with marker free as well which might be a common trend.
post #18 of 20
I work in a shop here in JH and I have yet to see a pair where the any part of the bindings have pulled out of a ski. I must add that it is a very popular ski here in JH and they are everywhere.

I ski the 08 Gotama in 190 and I love it. I have close to 50 days on it.

To be fair, we have see some broken Gotamas, but all of the carnage has been from wacking rocks or hucking too big. Just last night another pair of broken Gots came in- they were completely destroyed from a massive huck that landed on a tree on its side. Bindings? still in and tight.
post #19 of 20

Same thing happened to me:

 

www.epicski.com/forum/thread/79567/gotamas-and-marker-12s-ripped-the-bindings-out-twice

 

Front bindings ripped out twice, first time after 6 days, second after 2 more.  Both times while carving down groomers on Whistler, and both near-death experiences (slight exaggeration!).  I took them back to REI and swapped them with 08/09 Mantras.  The Goats have a fibreglass topsheet which apparently didn't do much to hold the screws.  The Mantras have a metal topsheet, so I expect they'll hold better.  I didn't want to remount my 3-screw Markers so I put new Head Mojos on them.

 

Wanna buy some bindings? 

 

Hope the new Goats work for ya!

post #20 of 20

there have been a couple threads maintaining the same problem.

 

the evaluation of the fiberglass top-sheet having less (than titanol) screw-holding characteristic is certainly true. (some wood fiberglass sandwich skis place a metal layer of some sort in the binding zone)

 

I'm wondering, since there are quite a few fiberglass and wood skis out there, if the Goat skier personality is agressive, as the demensions are suitable for that, and the Volkl image and target skier fits that mold.

 

we'll stay off the China thing this time around.

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