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post #31 of 55
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Interestingly, I've had phone/e-mail conversations with two sales managers from widely disparate and unconnected companies asking my opinion about 6 month cycles.

Both guys noted a growing concern over off price merchandising and the current closeout mentality of the retail/consumer market. Both floated variations on the "what if" concept as follows.
  • Dealers place preseason orders in March/April
  • Supplier builds to order.....and that's all.
  • Product delivered in September.
  • Dealer places orders in August/September for "Spring Collections"
  • Product Delivered in December.
  • Supplier builds to order.....and that's all.
The idea being to keep the product on the wall fresh and new and improve margins all around. It would be problematic logistically and would create a period of turmoil within the entire supply chain however, it could have a positive effect. Everybody involved would just have to be far more accurate in their forcasting, ordering, production etc. Although it would inevitably reduce production volume significantly, it would also improve profitability on the supply side.

It would be very tough to execute but who knows??? There is some evidence that the supply side is reducing production incrementally as it is. The current and ongoing consolidation of production would theoretically minimize the need to overproduce in order to maintain the factories.

Interesting concept.

SJ
Jim....don't think that's going to be a good idea. They may cut down on the end of season dumping that's been going on the last few years, but with multiple negatives:

- Tough to special order
- Poor product visablity
- Shops left holding the bag with "old skis" when new graphics come out

Skis are becoming very forgettable these days. Lots of random graphics in bright colors that all end up looking the same.

You know what skis I have that get noticed the most, lately? 186 stockli scott schmidts, the grey ones that say stockli in huge letters in the front.

Anyway......if a ski isn't going to change, put a good graphic on that will look good for several years and keep it that way. It's certainly possible....keeps the value of leftover stock higher, IMHO.
post #32 of 55
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
the gotamas and the chopsticks are fugly.

totally disagree..., i think the new graphics on the entire line are killer! plus, no golden buddha stickers (just a bad idea to begin with)!
post #33 of 55
I have to agree that the graphics are beautiful.
post #34 of 55
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
the gotamas and the chopsticks are fugly.
+1 Fugly indeed. They're hideous :
post #35 of 55
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
wow, racetiger graphics are dead to me now...
Funny, Everyone in this thread is talking about the new innovations in the fat skis.

RR makes the first comment about the Skinny skis.
post #36 of 55
I really gots to have those little skis with the snarling cat on the tail....



sign me up:


BTW, I've had some nice looking skis but I think my buddha explosivs are the best looking boards I've ever had.....guess someone out there in cyberspace disagrees....

and they ski pretty good too.....:

Get me a pair of those snarling kitty bitty skis to go with em and I'll be good!

2 ski dream quiver.....
post #37 of 55
Coincidentally, the buddha gotama (1st generation) is the best looking ski I've ever had.

the ugliest I ever had was the G41. The green machines.

Interesting... the ugliest and the prettiest were both volkls.
post #38 of 55
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
Coincidentally, the buddha gotama (1st generation) is the best looking ski I've ever had.

the ugliest I ever had was the G41. The green machines.

Interesting... the ugliest and the prettiest were both volkls.
got any pics of the gots?

we don't see those round my parts

g41 yep, ugly...but I heard they ski'd great too...no?
post #39 of 55
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57 View Post
got any pics of the gots?

we don't see those round my parts

g41 yep, ugly...but I heard they ski'd great too...no?
a most recent shot, yet not very focused on the skis. The white outline dragon stickers are my own contribution from a japanese motorcycle shop.



Could somebody please photoshop the kuros into this shot?

That'd be swell.

hrstrat- the G41s did ski great. It was a cult ski. However, the Jet Fuel (very similiar shape) blows it away.
post #40 of 55
ugly, ugly ugly ugly. makes no sense build a nice looking ski and stick with for a while like old 4x4 powertrac, or the original seth morrison pro model. a little crazy. but not to busy. enough is enough. and how many times to I have to tell some guy in a ski shop that anything under 180 cm is just a kids ski.
post #41 of 55
Here are some answers/opinions on these questions...............

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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post
Question.....how many people are actually buying stuff online closeout vs. at retail?

Approx 10%

I'm going to say it's still a smallish minority of the market. Prices aren't any better online for last years gear than they are in shops.

Correct

What are the companies trying to do....? Squeeze out sale items entirely?

As much as possible yes (what industry wouldn't?)

Not hold inventory? Good luck.

The cost of money and inventory prohibits this for the most part.

They constantly kill themselves with all the graphics changes, without actually changing the ski.

If they don't, then last years closeouts devalues this years inline.

Most people get 3-4+ years out of a ski. They aren't going to rush out and buy the latest graphic every 6 months. There are so many new graphics out there on so many skis that it all becomes a blurr. There's very little noteworthiness or status to any hot skis anymore, because they don't have time to get established!!!!

Hence the need for ski shops to 'splain it.

Phil is absolutely right. Retaining graphics for several years is the way to go. If the model changes signifigantly, change the graphic. An added bonus of this is that it would probably save us from some really ugly skis if a company had to live with something for 3 years.....!!!!

This strategy only works if the supply line is clean with no closeouts. Otherwise the overlap in seasons cannibalizes itself.
As much as we all would like to have it all our own way.....we probably won't.

SJ
post #42 of 55
Last night I had a chance to try the 2009 volkls.
1.The Grizzly is 89mm at the waist, has the marker duke binding, and has a powerswitch. retail will be close to 1400$ canadian
2. The AC50 is 85mm at the waist, has the marker duke binding, and will retail at close to 1200$ canadian
3. The Racetiger SL is 66mm underfoot and has a powerswitch. retail will be near 1400$ canadian
4. The Racetiger SC is barely changed
5. The AC30 is still 76mm at the waist and will cost close to the same as this years.

The AC line is barely changed other than the AC50 (i think its replacing the AC40), the twins looked similar, the tigersharks have been slightly tinquered with, and the racetigers are similar other than the addition of the powerswitch.

Overall Impression:

1. The Grizzly skis like a GS ski, but you can shorten the radius easily. The Powerswitch adds 20% more stiffness or so

2. The AC50 was my favourite. Even though its wide you can still get some nice energetic short radius turns going. it was also very grippy for a wider ski.

3. The Racetiger Sc is like a typical detuned slalom racer

4. The Racetiger Sl turns like crazy and has the typical volkl grip

5. The AC30 is essentially the same ski
post #43 of 55
Do you know what is different on the 09 Tigershark?

Is the AC50 as stiff as the AC40?
post #44 of 55
None of those skis match my jacket.
post #45 of 55
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Here are some answers/opinions on these questions...............



As much as we all would like to have it all our own way.....we probably won't.

SJ

Jim, I don't think you quite got my point on the closeouts.....if a graphic stays the same on a ski for 3 years, the pricing is going to stay high too.

- Manufacturers aren't going to dump skis to vendors every spring at far below cost. They will hold them over and build less, or if they want sell them, they will let them go at a discount, but not that much.

- Shops aren't going to have the incentive to cut prices drasticly in the spring to blow out inventory. If they have a small percentage of their stock remaining, they can just carry it over into the next season.

Yes, I know it costs to hold in to inventory, but it costs more to not make a profit.

For example, a friend of mine bought a pair of '07 sugar daddies from you for $199 in Aug/Sept of this year. We both found it hilarious that they had a tag for $900+ on them. Did you actually sell any at that price, or was that just suggested retail? Anyway, the '08 ski is the exact same thing as far as I know, but with a different graphic. If the graphics didn't change, you could simply hold on to those skis and sell them at retail or MAP this year too, or if you were offering them at discount over the summer, they would have commanded a price of $400+....

Again, the industry is hurting itself with the constant graphic changes and too short product cycle. There is little incentive or cache to buying this year's new skis.....
post #46 of 55
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Originally Posted by SierraJim
If they don't, then last years closeouts devalues this years inline.
Has that happened with the Pontoons? I thought that they were closing out cheaply over the summer, then the price went back up again as the season loomed.

I'd think it might have the converse effect. Shops need to clear out last year's inventory on the cheap because they know that this year's will look different. If that weren't the case -- if it looked the same and carried the same warranty -- the value wouldn't drop.
post #47 of 55
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
Has that happened with the Pontoons? I thought that they were closing out cheaply over the summer, then the price went back up again as the season loomed.

I'd think it might have the converse effect. Shops need to clear out last year's inventory on the cheap because they know that this year's will look different. If that weren't the case -- if it looked the same and carried the same warranty -- the value wouldn't drop.
This conundrum is part of a tail biting cycle that the industry has gotten itself into. The only way for it to stop is to reduce supply. To date, reducing supply has been impractical because the factories have to continue running and building skis year round to meet the current product cycle. To reduce supply would require the factory to work at somewhat less than optimal capacity and remember that the factory in an independant entity within a ski company. The factory has a bottom line and must show a profit. In many ways, the consolidation of production is starting to address this. While we may all want out Volkls to be built in Germany and our Rossis to be built in France (etc, etc) the chances are that at least some of them won't.

As I said earlier, I have no say in this in any respect whatsoever. The subject was merely broached in a casual way by two companies that are at least kicking the idea down the aisle.

The tightening of supply has started....but it's a slow, incremental process.

SJ
post #48 of 55
You hit the nail on the head. Volkls for instance retain value because shops run out of them in popular sizes and people want them. I think the danger is with all the 2 mm incremental skis slicing up the market they might dilute the brand over time. But for now, controlling the supply they hold up pretty well.
post #49 of 55
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Originally Posted by JJay View Post
Do you know what is different on the 09 Tigershark?

Is the AC50 as stiff as the AC40?
I know that the 09 tigershark has been slightly tinquered with, but nothing significant. I think that AC50 is close to as stiff as the AC40, but i'm not 100% sure. I weigh 150 pounds and had no trouble controlling it.
post #50 of 55
I saw the Chopstick and the new Gotama in a shop last weekend; both pretty damn fugly up close & personal, IMHO.
post #51 of 55
I didn't see the Volkl Aura in the '09 lineup, just the Aurora which is a different ski. Anyone know if the Aura is returning in '09 and if so, what it looks like?
post #52 of 55
Ooops.

I looked again more closely at the pics and saw the '09 Aura so I'm all set.
post #53 of 55
Thread Starter 
I saw the '09 Aura on the hill on Sunday. It looks great. Best graphic that ski has had yet. Suposedly the ski is unchanged otherwise.
post #54 of 55
Is this industry hurting itself?

Yes.

Are changing graphics a primary cause of the pain?

No.
post #55 of 55

The only Volkl's that will have the PowerSwitch technology in the 2009 lineup are the Tigershark 11 (75mm waist) and the Grizzly.   The TigerShark 11 w/ PS apparently replaces both the TigerShark 10 & 12 w/ PS.

 

The AC50 shown in the 2009 Volkl catalog from the Las Vegas show did not indicate that it would have the PowerSwitch.   Looks like Volkl is only going to put this technology on their "high-end" performance skis.

 

Thats all I can remember from looking briefly at the catalog.   If anyone wants more info, I'll go look at the catalog again and do more digging.

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