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post #31 of 54
I didn't. Nor did anyone else.

Their pants are probably the nicest on the market at the moment. They simply don't have adequate instep guard for people who ski as poorly as me, or it would appear the OP. I'm no fan of expensive outerwear, but I can easily see how four bills for a superlative pair of pants is worth it.
post #32 of 54
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
I didn't. Nor did anyone else.

Their pants are probably the nicest on the market at the moment. They simply don't have adequate instep guard for people who ski as poorly as me, or it would appear the OP. I'm no fan of expensive outerwear, but I can easily see how four bills for a superlative pair of pants is worth it.
To some people they might be, but I just can't justify spending that kind of money. As I mentioned before my $80 TNF pants have lasted through a lot. I have easily 50 days on them and nothing close to a single tear. Sure they don't have Gore-tex but TNF's hyvent isn't too bad. Do I think that Arc'teryx makes a superior product? Probably but when you charge that kind of money you need to account for the details.

Arc'teryx is sworn by a lot of professionals, I would think that they would listen to more of their input.
post #33 of 54
There is nothing wrong with the Arc'teryx pant. Only something wrong with the skier. The pant is as good as it gets. Useful instep guards would make it more usable for me, but it would also make it significantly heavier, less comfortable, etc.

Alpine skiing is not even necessarily the intent of the product, depending on which pant we are talking about. Think about all the winter sports that DON'T require instep guards.

Like you, I wear cheap pants day to day. They work great. I've got a lot more than 50 days on mine and they are just about kicked. I'd love to get another pair, but carrying Columbia is no longer tenable for a lot of specialty retailers. Same crap with your TNF stuff. I don't shop at Wal-Mart or Dick's or wherever.
post #34 of 54
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
There is nothing wrong with the Arc'teryx pant. Only something wrong with the skier. The pant is as good as it gets. Useful instep guards would make it more usable for me, but it would also make it significantly heavier, less comfortable, etc.

Alpine skiing is not even necessarily the intent of the product, depending on which pant we are talking about. Think about all the winter sports that DON'T require instep guards.

Like you, I wear cheap pants day to day. They work great. I've got a lot more than 50 days on mine and they are just about kicked. I'd love to get another pair, but carrying Columbia is no longer tenable for a lot of specialty retailers. Same crap with your TNF stuff. I don't shop at Wal-Mart or Dick's or wherever.
I don't understand why someone would pay that kind of money if they can't take the abuse of skiing. Get something cheaper that will last.

Interesting point on the specialty retailers. Arc'teryx is definitely a niche brand for the die-hards around here but TNF is just below it. If you walked into some of the higher end retailers around here you'd see that TNF is by far the dominant player. I wonder how long it will take for the retailers mind's to change. It's interesting when I ski out West, I notice advancements and then I get to wait 2 years until the make it back home, lol.
post #35 of 54
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I don't understand why someone would pay that kind of money if they can't take the abuse of skiing.
Again, the pants may not have even been meant for skiing. And their ski pants are pretty much the best I've ever worn, and I used to wear TNF when it had price points/quality similar to what Arc'teryx is now, some time before they started selling it in box stores.

There is a difference between technical outerwear and what works well cruising around the ski hill. This has always been true.
post #36 of 54
I had the same issue with my Patagonia pants. I called them, and they said to repair it temporarily with superglue or a similar sealant (the seam sealer stuff or shoe goo would work well as well), or I will just use an iron-on Cordura patch. They offered to repair the cuts at the end of the season, and I will ask them to add a reinforced patch at that time. The only annoyance right now is that snow gets down in one of the cut holes, making the cuff of the pant a bit wet, but it doesn't come through the gaiter, and isn't a big deal.

I had an old pair of Salomon pants that had a reinforced guard above the inside gaiter. Even though the pants were relatively cheap, the guard worked great. I have no idea why this isn't more common, as the past 2 pair of pants I have purchased had this scuff guard, and neither ever cut through. It would save the manufacturer some repair costs, especially on this model (which is more of a lift-served style, rather than a backcountry, alpine pant).
post #37 of 54
If you buy a pair of lightweight, stripped pants you can't expect that they last for edges, no matter what the price is, get them reinforced by a tailor.
Wtf it's like stepping on your pants with crampons, getting a big hole and then think the pants sucks......
post #38 of 54
I recall a pair of Mother Karen's that had great patches. I still managed to catch one just wrong enough to cut the top threads loose so it was hanging half off sticking out hitting my other leg when I rode the lift and flapping all over the place when skiing. I pulled out a knife, cut it off, and stuck it in my pocket, and never did get it sewn back on.. I guess it rolls back around to the wash the truck don't wash the truck debate. Do you want to look slick with brand spanking new gear or do you want to look like you've been there before? Some dirt, or minor scrapes/cuts are inevitable. There's no wrong answer if you can afford to look brand spanking new and not fuss about how much it costs to do so. I can't so I'll be buying used gear patching holes if they are a problem--still like to keep the salt off the truck though LOL!
post #39 of 54
I have found that Sessions makes some pretty good pants...at least I like them and on ebay I find them for about 60 to 80 bucks.

That being said, I had a yard sale last week and put a couple rips on the inner aspect of one shin. It dawned on me that there was no reinforcement in this area as they are a primarily snowboard pant company.

Long story for a short point. We as consumers bear the responsibility of researching the products we purchase. Yes.. a better design would include the reinforcement in this area. Even good skiers yard it every once and awhile and this can happen..it sucks... but own up to it. I brought them into a local shop and had them modified for about 20 bones... they will still be my favorite pants.
post #40 of 54
MJB: Ski pants are designed to be water-resistant and keep you warm. Ski pants with reinforced lower legs or ones with tougher material (scuff guards) sewed on down there can also get cuts. The manufacturer does not seem to be at fault here from the description given of the damage.
post #41 of 54
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Originally Posted by mike_m View Post
MJB: Ski pants are designed to be water-resistant and keep you warm. Ski pants with reinforced lower legs or ones with tougher material (scuff guards) sewed on down there can also get cuts. The manufacturer does not seem to be at fault here from the description given of the damage.
Exactly what a manufacturer wants the public to believe. With such an attitude a foolish consumer and his money are soon separated. I work hard for money and the seller of defective merchandise doesn't get to keep it.
post #42 of 54
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a foolish consumer and his money are soon separated.
First rule of getting out of holes: Stop digging.

SRSLY, read the thread or something, then go back to your hole.
post #43 of 54
I'm a big fan of holding companies responsible for their mistakes and quality control issues. But this seems pretty cut and dry. You bought a pair of pants for skiing that has no reinforced cuff. If you wanted a pair of pants that would resist cuts you should have bought a pair that has reinforced cuffs. Before I would drop 5, 4, or 3 bills on a piece of clothing I would make sure it has the features I want. I too would be pissed if I spent $400 on something and it got damaged the first time I wore it. But you cannot blame the manufacturer for your ski cutting the pants.

I personally cannot justify dropping that kind of money on ski pants that do essentially the same thing(or in this case less) as a $100 pair.
post #44 of 54
I think Hens has left the building. They didn't reply to any of our posts serious or humorous....
post #45 of 54
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
First rule of getting out of holes: Stop digging.

SRSLY, read the thread or something, then go back to your hole.
FYAW. You should concentrate on improving your poor skiing - your words not mine, and leave consumer protection, deceptive trade practice, and the law of sales to the people who know something about it.
post #46 of 54
Yah.

Didn't see you at Taos today. I'll gladly show you what lightweight pants are for on a hike sometime...
post #47 of 54
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Originally Posted by fishEH View Post
I'm a big fan of holding companies responsible for their mistakes and quality control issues. But this seems pretty cut and dry. You bought a pair of pants for skiing that has no reinforced cuff. If you wanted a pair of pants that would resist cuts you should have bought a pair that has reinforced cuffs. Before I would drop 5, 4, or 3 bills on a piece of clothing I would make sure it has the features I want. I too would be pissed if I spent $400 on something and it got damaged the first time I wore it. But you cannot blame the manufacturer for your ski cutting the pants.
Exactly. Arc'teryx's current lineup has 4 pairs of powder-cuff-equipped shell pants with Keprotec instep reinforcements, and 3 pairs of powder-cuff-equipped shell pants without reinforcements. Simply, the OP chose the wrong pants for his application (skier prone to keeping his legs too close together).

FYI, prior to this season, the Stingray pants were skier-specific, featuring:

* Large Keprotec instep reinforcements.
* Wide lower leg patterning (for the bulkier boot cuffs).
* A large (actually, huge) zipper cover over the fly that was rather boarder-unfriendly. It had a tendency to catch snow in the mens' model if the rider rode regular, and in the women's model if the rider rode goofy.

The Stingray pants were redesigned for this season to be more boarder-specific, where they:

* are now 'loose'. (People who know Arc'teryx know that their patterning is technical (i.e. 'not loose') by default.)
* lost the Keprotec instep reinforcement but gained a Keprotec hem.
* lost the huge zipper cover.

It should be obvious that the OP bought the wrong pants in Arc'teryx lineup. He would have been better served had he bought either last year's Stingray, or any of the four current Keprotec instep-reinforced pants w/powder cuffs (Beta AR pant, Stinger bib, or either of the Theta bibs).
post #48 of 54
Thread Starter 
I've not left the buliding, just in a very small resort village with no internet!

Thnks for all your replies. It's interesting to see everones different views. I'm a little calmer than when I found the cuts, and I don't really care. Arc' have not replied to my email, not even to suggest repair. I'm just going to get on and enjoy the season. Next time either $50 pants of some with guards!
post #49 of 54
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Originally Posted by Hens View Post
Arc' have not replied to my email, not even to suggest repair.
Don't worry, they aren't singling you out. They treat everyone that way, including dealers.
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I'm just going to get on and enjoy the season. Next time either $50 pants of some with guards!
Sounds like a good plan.
post #50 of 54
Reality Check!! This is the 50th reply to a dude with a tear in his pants!!!
post #51 of 54
Lets see:
-Angry lawyer type telling OP to sue the manufacturer: CHECK
-Condescending comments about OPs skiing: CHECK
-Surprisingly knowledgeable post about Arc'teryx pant line, out of nowhere: CHECK
-Note that a simple thread has gone on way too long: CHECK

THREAD CHECKLIST COMPLETE
post #52 of 54
Garrett, I think you missed one.
post #53 of 54
Thanks for the heads up on shoe goo. I got a slight tear this weekend and I picked some up and the repair seems pretty tough.
post #54 of 54
MY skis, Pants and jacket cost about $400 combined.
Fischer RX4 railflex 2 229 they are what they are
volkl jacket 140 works good
HellyHanson pants. 60 works good

and that includes taxes etc etc
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