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Ski pant damage

post #1 of 54
Thread Starter 
Dear Bears,

I wondered what your views might be on this. I've just skied for 10 days in my new Arc'teryx stingray pants. Having a quick look tonight there are 5 cuts about the ankle, upto an inch long, presumably from the skis, or possible boots bashing together. I had a couple of small falls, but I've mainly been skiing easy runs as part of my instructor training. The pants were more than $500, and I was assured these were excellent quality quality (Arc' normally is), and would last a few seasons. Anyone else think this is unreasonable? I've just emailed Arc', wonder what they'll say?!

I don't want to trash the company, and the pants are very comfortable, but I'm not convinced they'll last the season, and I'm mighty annoyed about the $500!
post #2 of 54
These are clearly user caused damage. You sliced the material with your edges. Can't blame Arc'Teryx for that. Ski with your legs further apart!
post #3 of 54
Gotta be a troll.
post #4 of 54
I keep my edges sharp and ski lots of moguls resulting in lots of edge cuts in my ski pants if they don't have a decent protection panel at the bottom of the pants legs. I've been skiing in a pair of DNA ski pants for 3 seasons now and only have a couple small cuts in the pants. My pants from Fila lasted many seasons without any cuts. On the other hand, some Ralph Lauren pants I got were so cut up after a dozen times I had to stop using them because the bottoms of the pants would fill up with snow. Personally, I would be pissed if I had a bunch of cuts in a $500 pair of pants after only a few days out.
post #5 of 54
First of all, what you are describing is common, and yet a real bummer.
Second, this is why the last three pair of pants I've bought have reinforcement on the inside of the pant legs.
post #6 of 54
I'd return the pants and use the $500 on more skis or ski trips.
I buy all my ski clothing second hand, mostly used only once or twice befoe I get it. Manyof folks in NC spend a lot of money on ski clothes, use them once, then sell them when they realize they don't like cold weather sports. I picked up a nice (fake?) Descente 1 piece Ski Suit never used for $85 last August.

Seriously though, I've added slightly larger thin leather patches to my pants insteps to cover those little cuts if the ones already on the pants aren't "cutting it". Most tailors, dry cleaner type places, etc will do that for a reasonable fee.
post #7 of 54
I think the pants are fine myself, would love a pair. if you are falling a lot or experimenting different things, try getting some pants with a toughened outer layer (usually some heavy duty fabric/leather) on the inside leg and around the ankle area
post #8 of 54
more than 500 bucks? don't they retail for 349.95?
post #9 of 54
I have a pair of pants for sale with reinforced material at the ankle area. I'll see them for $600 shipped.
post #10 of 54
Look for something called Keprotecâ„¢ instep - it should be available in at least a few brands. 'Halti Wasp' is worth a look at.
post #11 of 54
Originally Posted by muja2 View Post
Look for something called Keprotecâ„¢ instep - it should be available in at least a few brands. 'Halti Wasp' is worth a look at.
Hey, at least the cat didn't pee on his pants.
post #12 of 54
Since the company has probably no obligation regarding slices, keep this option open.

Start looking around the house for some unused article that has heavy duty cordura. We had a bunch of old "back pack" school bags with partly screwed up zippers ... like from JanSport packs.

Take that to a tailor shop and have them sew protective material on.

Slightly different problem, but the airline burned through my kids cordura race (ski bag) ... and melted holes in my big $$ Spyder. Found an old kiddie parka with black Gore-Tex and had him sew two panels over the holes. Cost me like $40 but it beat buying him a new jacket.

If you like the pants .... why trash them till they are toast when a shot to the tailor may get you five years out of them?
post #13 of 54
Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
Hey, at least the cat didn't pee on his pants.
Yeah nice one Trekchick - well I guess I was asking for that one. Hey Hens, try soaking your pants in 1:3 parts vinegar/water solution, after that dry them out in a closed room using an ozone generator. If that don't work, take them back to arcteryx, tell them you tried everything and now you want your money back....
post #14 of 54
There is a product sold in many large retail sports stores or online called "Shoe Goo." Here's one link: http://www.eclecticproducts.com/shoegoo.htm

It comes in tube and is a thick, molasses-type liquid which can be squeezed onto a ski pant and dries to a flexible, waterproof seal. I had numerous cuts of the type you described, used this stuff last season and the repairs have lasted. Highly recommended and cheap. Sew-on/iron-on patches don't work nearly as well.

Don't give the manufacturer a hard time. The pants are not defective. The cuts were caused by you.
post #15 of 54

Don't take our ribbing persoanlly. We've all bought gear that didn't perform they way we expected it to and felt disappointed over the years. I hope that you will be able to get them repaired or repair them yourself and get plenty of satisfaction out of them once you overcome the initial disappointment. If not, I'll certaily watch for them on eBay. Those are WAY nicer than any pants I've ver skied in.
post #16 of 54
Arc'teryx pants are only available with (too small, practically useless) instep guards in one or two versions. Most have none.

Fact: Trustafarians don't really ski, so it doesn't really matter.
post #17 of 54
Hey, humble old EMS has replaced two pairs of Gore Tex pants for me, no questions asked, due to edge damage on the unprotected boot area. I paid $50 bucks for the original pair, and am now on the second replacement. Think about that, three pairs of Gore pants for $50. Happy they didn't have protection...

Come to think of it, pair number three have some holes in them from where I fell on a rock once. I'll keep you posted...
post #18 of 54


#1 If they do not hook you up, bring to a tailor or dry cleaner and have them put on some rugged material to guard against cuts. Whoops Yuki beat me to it.

#2. You can roll up the bottoms of your pants a bit so they will not be impacted by your edges.

#3 Shoe Goo or "GOOP" repairs cuts nicely, You could also use to glue on some heavy material. For example a piece of auto mudflap.
post #19 of 54
There was a long discussion a year or so ago about using a product called Seam Grip &/or using repair tape to fix this sort of thing. Try search...

Even with the larger kevlar reinforcements, I've never sen a pant cuff that would sustain a good slice from a sharp edge.

The good news is that the only real mission of the exterior cuff is to protect the internal gator. And maybe look less dorky than an exposed gator would? Anyway, as long as the gator is intact underneath, repair the larger cuts & ski. If you do this a ton - control your edges better
post #20 of 54
Originally Posted by NE1 View Post
Gotta be a troll.
Ok, I guess I was a little hard on him...Seemed a little over the top to be going back after the manufacturer.

This is a very common issue, and as others have stated, a reinforcement patch is a good option.
post #21 of 54
There's this stuff called duct tape.....
post #22 of 54
Duct tape doesn't last. The Shoe Goo does. Try it.
post #23 of 54
Originally Posted by Hens View Post
The pants were more than $500.
I'm mighty annoyed about the $500!
I'd be mighty annoyed as well, especially since Arc'teryx doesn't even make any pants that sell for $500. You got hosed.
post #24 of 54


...Over rated in my opinion. As popular as it is here in the Wasatch, this isn't the first time that I've seen and/or heard of durability issues with Arcterx outer wear. To me, it's just another very expensive mountaineering chic brand.

Although inevitably I've edge-cut a few pair of ski pants over the years, I've never experienced the kind of problems that started this thread in just a day or two, even with $30-$40 well used swap meet pants.

In my opinion, in terms of warmth, versatility, durability, good looks and just plain old bang for the buck, it's difficult to beat some of the fabulously high quality inexpensive skiwear coming out of Beijing, Hong Kong, and Seol all over the internet. Good old Spyder - yeah, some of it probably isn't the "genuine" article - has been one of my favorites for a long time.

Also, the Canadian Karbon brand clothing wears like iron, albeit a bit heavy.
post #25 of 54
Originally Posted by mike_m View Post
Duct tape doesn't last. The Shoe Goo does. Try it.
My solution. I dull the inside edges of my skis.
post #26 of 54
Originally Posted by Pilot 3D View Post
Good old Spyder - yeah, some of it probably isn't the "genuine" article - has been one of my favorites for a long time.

Also, the Canadian Karbon brand clothing wears like iron, albeit a bit heavy.
That crap all weighs about fourteen pounds. I have been wearing some cheap pair of Columbia pants for several years now. Lots of edge cuts. Don't really care, they were cheap and they don't weigh a ton. If you need warm pants I think you need to learn how to put underwear on.

I have a pair of Arc'teryx pants. I don't use them much. Mostly I use my cheap Columbia pants for everyday skiing and a packable pant like Precip for other stuff.
post #27 of 54
The pants were represented by the manufacturer to serve a particular function. You paid a large sum based on reputation and that representation. The pants carry an implied warranty of fitness for purpose. The pants failed and should be replaced. The manufacturer should do a better job of design to prevent such damage. The design is flawed and the consumer should not enrich a manufacturer who designs and sells flawed merchandise. Pretty simple.
post #28 of 54
$400 for ski pants? For that kind of money there is no way that the pants should rip after less then a year. I still don't understand the demand for Arc'teryx. There stuff looks nice but The North Face works fine for me and for hundreds less. My two pairs of $80 TNF Freedom pants (insulated and non) have lasted 4 years now with out even the slightest rip. Sure there is some wear down there but that is why they but the reinforced fabric down there.

I would definitely complain and say that your previous pants never did that and that Arc'teryx came highly recommended. For $400, pants should help you ski better and wash themselves and they certainly shouldn't rip!
post #29 of 54
As Jer already pointed out, Arc'teryx pants do not cost five bills. Four bills, yes.
post #30 of 54
Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
As Jer already pointed out, Arc'teryx pants do not cost five bills. Four bills, yes.
See above edited post. Still overpriced if you ask me.
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