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Elan Magfire Question 10 vs 12

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
I really like the geometry of the Magfire 10, it is just what I am looking for, but I don't want a ski that is too soft, can anyone tell me if the stiffness is similar between the 10 and the 12.

Cheers!
post #2 of 13
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Originally Posted by Powder Puppy View Post
I really like the geometry of the Magfire 10, it is just what I am looking for, but I don't want a ski that is too soft, can anyone tell me if the stiffness is similar between the 10 and the 12.

Cheers!
The 10 is a much softer ski than the 12. I have skied both and prefer the 12. The 10 is for a solid intermediate-Adv. The 12 is for Adv to Expert.
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Shame, the Elan site seems to say thay have a similar construction with the TI.

Oh well!

Really looking for a ski with 75-80mm waist, with around 15m turn radius and some good beef, not to much though still want to ride some bumps.

Perhaps the im78 is a good bet, or the M11 B5.
post #4 of 13
In that 75/76 waist ski, the M11B5 is a beefier ski, no doubt about it. Don't dismiss the 12, it is a pretty nimble ski for an 82 waist.
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
Yeah I just want the turning radius of a narrower ski for tight carves.
post #6 of 13
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Yeah I just want the turning radius of a narrower ski for tight carves.
The 82 and the m11B5 have basically the same TR in the 15 range.
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
yeah pretty close, the atomic is just that bit tighter
post #8 of 13
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Yeah I just want the turning radius of a narrower ski for tight carves.
The width itself does not affect the turning radius, the tip/waist/tail sidecut dimensions do. So it's completely possible to get a wider waisted ski that has a short turning radius. Width will affect the amount of authority you have over the edges, making narrower skis easier to edge. But if your main concern is turning radius, don't let the width scare you off. I have some wider skis that can turn a very tight radius.
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks 219, whilst I understand what you are saying, but as the width gets wider you do get to a point where you cannot get the radius you want. So really for my requirements it is one of the main factors.

I am trying to get sub 15m in a 170-180 ski and that is just not possible in a wait much over the range I specified, no one makes it.
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by Powder Puppy View Post
Thanks 219, whilst I understand what you are saying, but as the width gets wider you do get to a point where you cannot get the radius you want. So really for my requirements it is one of the main factors.

I am trying to get sub 15m in a 170-180 ski and that is just not possible in a wait much over the range I specified, no one makes it.
Wider skis that have a tight turn radius tend to get unstable in crud, which is where you would typically use a wider-waisted ski. That is probably the main reason.
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
I agree, I wrote a review of head xp 100's a long time ago here, still my favourite ski, 12-13m turn radius at 177, they get a little lively in the crud, getting them on edge and driving a line really helps though. I want something similar, just a little wider and softer (I am not 22 any more!).

Ideal would be something like the im78, perhaps just a little stiffer. Thats why I was hoping the magfire 10 would fit the bill!
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by Powder Puppy View Post
Thanks 219, whilst I understand what you are saying, but as the width gets wider you do get to a point where you cannot get the radius you want. So really for my requirements it is one of the main factors.

I am trying to get sub 15m in a 170-180 ski and that is just not possible in a wait much over the range I specified, no one makes it.
Icelantic does
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
Those are some cool skis, a 160mm tip, are you kidding me?
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