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post #1 of 27
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http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/tol/...cle3134330.ece

What are your thoughts about this?

Switzerland is introducing speed cameras on the slopes to try to reduce the increasing number of accidents. The first such nationwide controls will treat skiers like cars on the motorway. Speeders will be caught with hand-held radar devices carried by hidden personnel.
post #2 of 27
Pretty soon we will be required to wear license plates so that they can track us down.

A better solution would be to have a trail at every large mountain that is just for hauling ass...like a fast lane. People want to go fast and will continue to do so regardless of fines...look at motorways. Have speeders sign a waver and let them shoosh down the closed off trail however fast as they want.

I never understood why cities that have street racing problems don't simply setup race tracks for the youth to get their need for speed satisfied...speeding tickets make money, building and funding a race track costs money, thats why. Sorry, not really on topic but a very similar situation.
post #3 of 27
Isn't skiing all about speed and freedom? WTF!!!???
post #4 of 27
That just sucks big time.

If they want to have a few slow zones and even some slow trails fine, but restricting speed everywhere is just going to make skiing less attractive. I know how fast I'm going. I like skiing fast. I have been skiing fast for decades and have never hit anybody. If I had to ski at 19 mph on your mountain, I think I would find another mountain to ski at.
post #5 of 27
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Originally Posted by Ryel View Post
http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/tol/...cle3134330.ece

What are your thoughts about this?

Switzerland is introducing speed cameras on the slopes to try to reduce the increasing number of accidents. The first such nationwide controls will treat skiers like cars on the motorway. Speeders will be caught with hand-held radar devices carried by hidden personnel.
We've got about 4 pages of discussion on this topic on the "next move from the fun police" thread.:
Today I saw a sign at the top of a black that said "Experts Only, Enforced by tearing lift tickets". Now, this was a black (a short black at that), not a double black. Maybe it should have said "enforced with a trip to the hospital LOL!

As for the 19 MPH universal speed limitIt sholdn't be about how fast you are going, it is about being considerate to less experienced skiers. As long as fast folks show that they are giving plenty of room to the sketchy, in their snowplows, can only turn right folks, we should be able to ski fast without getting kicked out.:
post #6 of 27
I was clocked at Jiminy on Sunday going 27 as you come into the lift line. That is kind of fast, especially for a slow skier. They guy was standing at the end of a trail near where the lift line starts. Every run after that I tried to beat the previous record.
post #7 of 27
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Pretty soon we will be required to wear license plates so that they can track us down.
Just in case they start handing out license plates:

http://www.phantomplate.com/photoblocker.html

Now were skiing in stealth mode :
post #8 of 27
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The move has been generally welcomed by skiers. Katy Laffan, 27, an experienced skier from London, said: “To be honest, I do not know how fast I usually go.
The answer is probably a lot faster than she thinks - or any of us for that matter. A while back there was a thread on here about it and it's remarkable what speeds we get up to.

TBH, the 19mph limit is so slow that it can only apply in the 'slow zone' around the base of the lifts. If it were to apply all over then people just wouldn't go to that resort.
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post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by Scavenger View Post
Well, reading that atricle it seems a sound safety awareness initiative.
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by Nobody View Post
Well, reading that atricle it seems a sound safety awareness initiative.
I can't believe that you are OK with being clocked for skiing too fast!! ::
post #12 of 27
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I can't believe that you are OK with being clocked for skiing too fast!! ::
Have you read, carefully, what the latest news from the UK ski club says?
Methinks not.
post #13 of 27
This is how the linked article begins:

We've been looking into the recent coverage in the British press about speed limits being introduced in Switzerland to see if it’s true. It's not.
post #14 of 27
Real or not, when you ski in a place in which: 1) many skiers go too fast; 2) trails are groomed to highway-like smoothness; 3) icy conditions are common onpiste; 4) many skiers appear to be out of control; and 5) there is virtually no oversight or ski patrol in sight, these kinds of ideas begin to have appeal, particularly when you've got little kids of your own. Personally, I do about 95% of my day offpiste. The part that scares me is the run home.

In other news: Venice to Put Speed Cameras in Canals

http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryP...as +in+canals
post #15 of 27
That's a "slippery slope" (no pun intended) that you are proposing. It all starts with realistic rules that make something "safer", then it turns into an atmosphere of over-regulation and senseless litigation. Remember how it almost destroyed the sport in the 80's?
Be careful, history always repeats itself...
post #16 of 27
Venice has had problems regulating motorboats speed in its canal since motorboats appeared. All motorboats are compelled to run at slow speed. High speed motorboats generated (water) waves cause erosion of Venice foundations and grounds to speed up...

The common ground here is "people's head". If people do not understand
why certain measures are to be taken/asked, then, sooner or later, someone will have to enforce those measures and make people abide.
Means, like speed radars, will be devised to.
And we all loose something.
Specifically, if we were to respect signs like "Slow-Rallentare" on runs connections, if we were to spontaneously keep our speed in check when we see runs are crowded, then there would no need to look for means to enforce speed limits.
Instead, in 3 days skiing I've come across, specially in the evening, such signs thrown down on the ground by skiers who were skiing too fast for their skills, unable to maoeuver and ultimately hit the sign itself...
I am able to ski as fast and as in control as anyone. But do I ski mach schnell all the time? No. There's no reason to.
Ultimately the message ought to be:
People, let's use our heads before someone takes away that freedom and decide for us (same thing I was trying to express in my avalance rant).
post #17 of 27
Speed control cameras at resorts should be shot.


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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
A better solution would be to have a trail at every large mountain that is just for hauling ass...like a fast lane. People want to go fast and will continue to do so regardless of fines...look at motorways. Have speeders sign a waver and let them shoosh down the closed off trail however fast as they want.

ONE RUN for decent skiers? How bout this, there should be certain areas of the mountain rated for beginners. The beginners should stick to these runs. Everywhere else should be the designated fast runs, as long as they aren't crowded.

Also, whether someone's speed is appropriate or not should be judged by veteran ski patrol, based on their ability to avoid obstacles and ditch speed, not just on how fast they appear to be going. It should not be judged by a cop watching reviewing video footage.

By the way, this is a repeat.
post #18 of 27
I rarely see people skiing faster than me, so if they want to stop people from skiing I just won't enjoy my skiing vacation anymore All accidents aren't due to speeding! Maybe they should also ban all the beginners from the slopes? And all snowboarders.. Where's the limit?
IMO, I T S U C K S!
post #19 of 27
This is derailing...that's the reason why it is beocming a repeat.
I suggest that we all go and read the articles linlked above, again if necessary.
The SUVA (the state run Health care agency, in my understanding of the article) reps, I quote from the article, since I dont' see evidence of some posters having read it :
"flag out a section of a piste and then approach skiers or boarders to ask if they want to measure their speed. This is then measured by laser-gun or two laser-beams and at the bottom they are asked come to a emergency stop where the stopping distance is measured.

Participants are then asked to guess the speed they were going at and the results of the tests are discussed. Above all, the participation is voluntary and there are no hidden speed cameras, radar traps, fines or ‘police’.
post #20 of 27
For many years I've read, here on Epic, threads about guessing speed, measuring it with laser or GPS, and discussion about how often we do not correctly estimate the speed at which we're skiing and the likes.
In Switzerland, a governement agency is offering people to measure their speed, and discuss with them the difference between people guestimates and actual data. In short to become conscious of at what speed they are actually "capable" of skiing at.
To me this is a "sound safety initiative", no restrictions are (yet) being imposed on skiers.
The goal is to reduce speed of skiers by increased consciousness of the danger we potentially represent to others under certain conditions (crowded run, regardless it's icy or not, regardless how skilled we are).
To me, a skilled skier is someone who, thought capable of sking at speed, understands when to slow down and why. Who does not feel demeaned if has to slow down.
Then as said, if we want to talk, Maggot, about having beginners stivking to the bunny slope, to people with progressing skills to be gradually allowed to portions of a mountains, I'm all for it. But there's also another aspect, a skilled skier must take care of less skilled ones and make account for their presence.
post #21 of 27

nonsense!!

Come on, speed controls on ski slopes?!?! Absurd!! I remember reading that the majority of accidents involving an injury occur below 20mph, I think it was on Ski Injury.com or something. There was a stat the I found interesting on that site related to fatalities, that the 2006-2007 season had 22 deaths. This equates to 1 fatality per 2.5 million skier days!!!

Anyway, 20mph or 19mph is hardly moving. On average I ski in the 40-50mph range, both my friend and I have clocked each other with a hand held radar gun, which I know to be accurate. At my fastest, I was clocked at just under 70mph and that is freakin fast baby. But, I don't pull that kind of stunt on a crowed run, I let the crowd pass by, look as far down the hill as possble for any other skiers, then have a go at it. Still, I'm responsible for being in control and being able to stop.

If resorts or ski patrolers want to enforce something, they should be telling both skiers and boarders to not sit SMACK DAB in the middle of a run!!! Move off to the side if your checking out or taking a break, don't setup camp in the middle. I've seen many accidents happen that way, someone coming over a crest with limited visibility and they nail some poor bastard who's sitting there!
post #22 of 27
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If resorts or ski patrolers want to enforce something, they should be telling both skiers and boarders to not sit SMACK DAB in the middle of a run!!! Move off to the side if your checking out or taking a break, don't setup camp in the middle. I've seen many accidents happen that way, someone coming over a crest with limited visibility and they nail some poor bastard who's sitting there!
While I agree, I also believe that if you can't see around a bend or over crest, you should slow down beforehand so that if there is someone stupidly stopped in the middle, you can avoid an accident. I know it's a thrill stopper but that's part of skiing on busy slopes.
post #23 of 27

Yup

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While I agree, I also believe that if you can't see around a bend or over crest, you should slow down beforehand so that if there is someone stupidly stopped in the middle, you can avoid an accident. I know it's a thrill stopper but that's part of skiing on busy slopes.
Couldn't agree more. I typically slow down when coming to a blind crest just for that reason, but not everyone else does. It is part of skiing on a busy slope, you have to be cautious of skiers down hill from you. That said, I've already come over a crest at a slower speed and almost had nowhere to go because of all the squatters.
post #24 of 27
Q: How do you make a Swiss have fun?

A: Put a gun to his head and say "Have fun."
-Bill Bryson
post #25 of 27
As is so often the case on this forum, many differences of opinion boil down to where you ski. Can you imagine speed controls at Big Sky? But I'd sure welcome them on the home run at St Anton or Verbier.
post #26 of 27
I can see it at Mount Snow or Killington where there is a lot of traffic.

I can see it at Jiminy Peak where they post 'safety patrol' in the slow skiing areas. And I did see it coming into the lift line. All are sections where you should slow down.

If an area is prone to crashes then maybe it's not that bad of an idea.
post #27 of 27
We don't need no schtinking speed control.
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