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keep my salomon crossmax 10 pilot's or get newer skis?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Age:32
Height:6'0"
Weight: 187 lbs
Ski Level: 7 old school knees together (but am learning the new school stance and looking to improve)
Skiing frequency: <10 times a year mix between east coast ice and snowcone crunch to Utah champagne

I am currently skiing on crossmax 10 pilots at 180cm 106-66-98 18m radius. This was my first new-school ski after leaving my Rossignol 4sk's I had for years. Not sure if this is the right ski.

What I am looking for is a fun lightweight ski that is geared more toward quick short turns at lower speeds when I am on more challenging, steeper runs BUT can handle longer turns at speed on blue groomers. The crossmax on steep, challenging terrain is hard to get to turn so I end up having to skid them. I guess the 180cm length is too long. I also want a ski that can float in shallow pow and can handle cut up crud which the crossmax is a bear to turn in.

I don't really ski enough to demo a bunch of ski's so I would rather buy a used or older pair that I can use for a while for less than $325 total.

Here are some ski's I have narrowed down. Please let me know which ones you all think would be best for what I am looking for.

Salomon XW Blast
K2 Raider
Head Monster 77
Anything else that suits my preferences.

I just like to have fun and make a variety of linked turns, sometimes I like the thrill of flying down the mountain but mostly I like to chill and work on my technique and look for jumps on the sides of the slopes.

Thanks in advance!!!!
post #2 of 17
FWIW please don't stay on those Salomon My dad bought some used last year and oh does he regret it, IMO they really suck..
post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
FWIW please don't stay on those Salomon My dad bought some used last year and oh does he regret it, IMO they really suck..
so far I agree having been on them on 3 trips out west. I don't have perfect technique but I just don't feel comfortable on them.
post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by skrit View Post
so far I agree having been on them on 3 trips out west. I don't have perfect technique but I just don't feel comfortable on them.
I've never tried anything that unstable on ice. The day I was on them I went right from my then Atomic GS12 in 180cm that I had been racing on all day.. So I wanted to test my dad's new skis, took them to a black slope, and they have a pretty large radius so I thought I'd go fast big arcs, as soon as I hit hardpack they just began skidding and when I hid ice they almost disappeared underneath me, I was so close at falling, going about 45mph

And you're totally right about feeling comfortable on them - it is not possible, my dad is on some rx8 now, they really had the wow-effect when he used to ski on those salomon.
One positive thing though - damn those salomon look good - nice graphics and a beautiful binding as well..

But what a scary, unstable, crappy ski.. Since then I've just been against everything that Salomon makes.. It makes no sense that a ski can be that bad.. And even an expensive ski.. WTF? I hope Atomic has nothing to do with Salomon other than being owned by Amer..
post #5 of 17
Something between 80/90mm at the waist, with a short radius.
Scotts, Aztec Pro or Mission, should foot the bill. They're light and easy, but deliver when pushed harder.
Otherwise :
Salomon XWing Fury ?
A Rossi Bandit or a Dynastar Mythic maybe, but those are less "turny".

Edit : Grook, while the Crossmax 10 didn't quite meet my expectation, I find you quite harsh. The 10s were on the softer side, and not the skiercross weapons promised by the badass graphics, but crappy on ice ? Yours had a tune issue, or their foam core were dead.
But I agree they weren't worthy of their 800 E tag. They're the kind of skis that did a lot of damage to Salomon image.
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
FWIW please don't stay on those Salomon My dad bought some used last year and oh does he regret it, IMO they really suck..
Sounds like someone blaming a ski for their poor technique, a poor tune or a bad choice of ski.

It's not a stiff racing ski but with a proper tune and good technique the ski is very comfortable for many. It's a on the softer side but for a light weight skier, not going mach shnell, it's a very capable ski and very forgiving. I won't comment on Ice hold because that's different for everyone. On sierra very firm pack, I have no problem holding an edge on the them.

DC
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
I've never tried anything that unstable on ice. The day I was on them I went right from my then Atomic GS12 in 180cm that I had been racing on all day.. So I wanted to test my dad's new skis, took them to a black slope, and they have a pretty large radius so I thought I'd go fast big arcs, as soon as I hit hardpack they just began skidding and when I hid ice they almost disappeared underneath me, I was so close at falling, going about 45mph

And you're totally right about feeling comfortable on them - it is not possible, my dad is on some rx8 now, they really had the wow-effect when he used to ski on those salomon.
One positive thing though - damn those salomon look good - nice graphics and a beautiful binding as well..
Let's see... Full on GS race ski probably full race tune, compared to a recreational ski with probably a general shop tune or factory ship tune (no sharpened edges, edge set and hone) I wonder which one will perform better, especially on hard pack...
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by dchan View Post
Let's see... Full on GS race ski probably full race tune, compared to a recreational ski with probably a general shop tune or factory ship tune (no sharpened edges, edge set and hone) I wonder which one will perform better, especially on hard pack...
dchan: A factory tune on those race skis and it was the pb ski - not the racestock..

Philliper: they were newly tuned in a normal store.. What happens if the foam core is dead? - I'm sure that was what was wrong - no ski could be that bad.. The ski was only 3weeks old when he got them.. They shouldn't have died that young :I
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by dchan View Post
Sounds like someone blaming a ski for their poor technique, a poor tune or a bad choice of ski.

It's not a stiff racing ski but with a proper tune and good technique the ski is very comfortable for many. It's a on the softer side but for a light weight skier, not going mach shnell, it's a very capable ski and very forgiving. I won't comment on Ice hold because that's different for everyone. On sierra very firm pack, I have no problem holding an edge on the them.

DC
No.
post #10 of 17
I love comments like "they suck". I have a pair of crossmax 10s 190cm that I still use once in a while when we get a fresh snow here in New England. I used them in vail a couple of years ago and I had a ball in knee deep powder and on a freshly groomed Blue Ox. Super stable when blasting around. Learn how to ski before you trash the gear.
post #11 of 17
Get new skis. It's the only thing that really matters.

Have a sore throat? Get new skis. Your knee hurts? Get new skis. Just can't ski worth $h!t? Get new skis.

Believe me, I've been following this advice for years. It hasn't made me a better skier, but it sure prevents being stuck with a lot of money you would otherwise use to pay the mortgage or your kid's college tuituon.

Works for me!
post #12 of 17
P.S. During a training session at Smugglers' Notch this morning, the Director of Training noted that I'd been using the same skis for the entire morning. I felt so guilty.
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by peterk123 View Post
I love comments like "they suck". I have a pair of crossmax 10s 190cm that I still use once in a while when we get a fresh snow here in New England. I used them in vail a couple of years ago and I had a ball in knee deep powder and on a freshly groomed Blue Ox. Super stable when blasting around. Learn how to ski before you trash the gear.
So I'm not allowed to pronounce my opinion without being told that I can't ski? Even from a guy skiing powder on a ski with a waist of 66mm..
That's just sad
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by oboe View Post
Get new skis. It's the only thing that really matters.

Have a sore throat? Get new skis. Your knee hurts? Get new skis. Just can't ski worth $h!t? Get new skis.

Believe me, I've been following this advice for years. It hasn't made me a better skier, but it sure prevents being stuck with a lot of money you would otherwise use to pay the mortgage or your kid's college tuituon.

Works for me!
I suspect if one is not advancing it's because they're not skiing the frontside on 110mm skis with totally rad reverse camber. For me, I gotta have the latest Head skis because Bodie is on them. I burned all my Atomic gear, because everyone knows they are wimpy noodles. Any ski older than 2 seasons is outdated and no good, so those were burned too.

I reccomend the 10 foot power switch or the Rossi Radical Z11. These new skis with retractable arms and switches are guaranteed to make you ski better if you find yourself suddenly wanting to switch from GS to SL turns. Just reach down and flip the switch and your skiing is suddenly transformed. Order in the next ten minutes and we'll throw in a Bodie Miller Chia Pet.

Marketing hype works and people buy it.
post #15 of 17
My 2 cents. Salomon has funny way of making a ski that craps out on hardpack real fast. We skied on x-screams, crossmax's and extra hots and they were all great skis for less than twenty days. For whatever reason the skis just get "dead" real quickly. I have had dynastar 8000's for four seasons and this is the first year they feel like its time to make a chair from them. My K2 outlaws and chiefs have been going strong for a couple of years as well. Salomon has a great feel initially but their product just doesn't stand up as well as K2, volkl etc. I ski skis hard, but tune them every time they are taken out. I've been at the tuning thing for about 15 years and know what it takes to make a ski perform. Unlike some folks who feel they can screw on a replacement piece to repair their ski's edges I ski enough to understand that every dog has its day and the day of the crossmax ski, whether it be salomon, atomic or dynastar etc was about six years ago. In their time they were good, not great skis. Technology has made equipment better and more fun to ski on. Theare are a lot of good skis to be had. Go to a local shop, demo some equipment and buy it from local folks who can help you with what you need and when something goes awry.
post #16 of 17
I have the same skis only 170's and I'm bigger than you. Yeah the 180's are probably too long. The Crossmax Pilot 10's are an excellent all- around ski. They are a compromise, responsive yet forgiving lively yet stable. They do a lot good and nothing great. They have a narrow waist but their soft enough to ski in pow. I find them very easy to turn. They will hold on ice but they have to be tuned and you have to work at it. yes they are squirlley at speed, so hang on. Last but not least, they do wear out fairly quickly. I have about 60 days on mine and they are pretty shot
post #17 of 17
The crossmax is a compromise, having enough edge grip to allow you to arc turns with them if you already know how, but a weak enough edge grip to make it easy to skid them "old" style with knees together. It's kind of like an all-season tire, no good in the snow and no good for really tearing up some twisty roads in the summer.

Try a fisher Progressor or RX8 or Head super shape or supershape speed. These skis will reward modern technique.
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