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post #31 of 64
1/13/08 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by crank View Post
But are ski instructors any fun to ski with?
LOL!!!

Nope......unless you ski with me....

or unless they're Italian:

my favorite saying, see signature below.....

I'm retired from ski school and I bet you did piss a few people off

anybody still skiing Tii's don't need no lessons anyway!!!sweet shoes!!
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post #32 of 64
1/13/08 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by oboe View Post
Bob, I LOVE IT!!! If I can get you a gig in the Catskills - will you accept?
He just flew in from CO, and boy are his arms tired. But seriously, folks, last week he was teaching a lesson to this woman who was so fat...
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post #33 of 64
1/13/08 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
Some of the instructors I've skied with in an social environment, who have been phenomenal, and I'd love to ski with any time, Kneale, Tcary, and Cnewbound.
Uh-oh..... I didn't make the list. You're going on ignore.
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post #34 of 64
1/13/08 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
Uh-oh..... I didn't make the list. You're going on ignore.
Uh Oh, when you list names you always forget the best of the bunch. Heck of it is, even though you're an instructor, I forget, because you don't act like one when we're "hangin' "
Although, when we skied together, you laughed at me a lot!

Is that a good recovery?
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post #35 of 64
1/13/08 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by JayPowHound View Post
I've been an instructor up in Vermont for the past four seasons, and I think that I'm a lot of fun to ski with! I teach in the teenage program for a reason... I'd much rather ski than do drills and they, for the most part, agree. There's nothing that Id rather do for my "work" than take out level 7-8 teens for a guided tour of the woods and steeps, skipping lift lines and hunting out fresh lines, drops, etc. I give pointers on many things throughout the day, and teach many different skills, but for the most part we just ski where ever and whatever THEY want to ski. My advice to you who is looking for a fun instructor is to ask for one. It'll be easier if you take a private lesson so you know that you will get what you want, but ski instructors make great guides. They usually know their mountains as well as anyone and are more than happy to just cut lift lines and ski with someone. It's not too likely to happen in a group because it's probably not what most people want, but ask at your local ski school desk and I'm sure they'll have someone who can give you what you're looking for.

JPH, My son and I are hitting Jay Peak for President's day week. I will PM you about booking a lesson for him and maybe I'll tag along too.


All, I was not talking about taking lessons, I was talking about instructors letting go of their inner instructor, being non judgemental and having fun tearing around a mountain with some other skiers. You know - skiing.

Beyond, I was not taking a lesson I just met the guy in the Killington parking lot. Here's the script. Names changed to protect the innocent.

Jim Bob: Joe this is my friend Marc

Joe instructor: If you want to ski better you should get some new boots."

Marc: (me) Nods and smiles while thinking these boots have more days on the snow then you buddy and I'll ski your ass of any day.


Bob and Si,

A nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat. Know what I mean? Huh? I'm talking about serious fun here. Sometimes I too seek out that snow I know is going to be a challenge just for the challenge. I think we can, in a perverse way, call that fun.

Phil, they were Trappeur Comps. And they fit me almost as well as my TII's. They didn't last as long because I was skiing a heck of a lot more back then.

Trek, Nice pic! That was a fun day.
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post #36 of 64
1/13/08 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
This message is hidden because Trekchick is on your ignore list.
Huh? What? I can't hear you!
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post #37 of 64
1/13/08 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
Huh? What? I can't hear you!
You can't ignore me and I can't ignore you. Its the plight of the moderator. Ha!!
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post #38 of 64
1/13/08 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by iskitoofast4u View Post
I've been an instructor for 11 years, and I rarely offer unsolicited advice. I ski with other instructors, many whom are waaaay better than me, and they hardly ever offer unsolicited advice; they're also a blast to ski with. Instructors know the mountain better than most people, instructors ski better than a lot of people, and instructors are in it for the love of the sport. Anyone who says differently likely doesn't know what they're talking about.

Are there instructors that are a bore to ski with? Of course. I just don't think it applies to the majority of instructors.
Bingo. I ski with other instructors most of the time, and for the most part, we don't say a thing unless it's asked for.

Think about this - all day long you're giving advice...do you think you would want to do it when you're off the clock?
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post #39 of 64
1/13/08 at 8:30pm
I ski with myself all the time and I think I'm a BLAST to ski with!!!!!
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post #40 of 64
1/13/08 at 9:09pm
I actually had lessons today at Copper. Besides being in a large group the instructor was chill and we just went hucking all day. Tons of fun.
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post #41 of 64
1/13/08 at 11:12pm
I have a friend who took up instructing last year, after just free skiing all winter for quite a long time. He skis a lot slower now than he used to, it's kind of annoying. He used to be hard to keep up with.

Another friend who's skied with him for many years, has been chiding him for "skiing like an instructor." In other words, skiing like he's thinking about how his form looks.
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post #42 of 64
1/14/08 at 4:23am
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
I have a friend who took up instructing last year, after just free skiing all winter for quite a long time. He skis a lot slower now than he used to, it's kind of annoying. He used to be hard to keep up with.

Another friend who's skied with him for many years, has been chiding him for "skiing like an instructor." In other words, skiing like he's thinking about how his form looks.
Does he have the, "I need more fiber" Look?
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post #43 of 64
1/14/08 at 4:46am
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Originally Posted by crank View Post
But are ski instructors any fun to ski with?

I've never skied with one outside of the 2 lessons I've taken. Here's an example. We meet up with a friend of a friend who is an instructor. First words out of his mouth. "If you want to ski better you should get a new pair of boots." I, politely nodded and smiled.

So are they all judgemental? Can they, do they put aside their training and instincts to analize, critique, suggest, perfect their technique, and just ski for the sheer fun and thrill of it?

Just curious.
Come to the gathering and find out....
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post #44 of 64
1/14/08 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
I have a friend who took up instructing last year, after just free skiing all winter for quite a long time. He skis a lot slower now than he used to, it's kind of annoying. He used to be hard to keep up with.
Skiers look at the way instructors ski and pass judgement. I know I always look to see the skill level. So if they have their jacket on, they probably know that people are watching. Skiing with this inhibited mind set carries over to their freeskiing.

It's also true that there are many good instructors who can't ski that well. I have seen level III instructors who are 'dead pan'. That's one reason I like ESA, you get to see top instructors, skiing technically well, and having fun.

But there's something to be said for skiing with the other 2 yahoo's depicted in post 26.

The guy in the red boots looks like he could use some fiber.
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post #45 of 64
1/14/08 at 7:16am
I suppose I would be no fun to ski with in big icy bumps.
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post #46 of 64
1/14/08 at 7:21am
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
Fun?

FUN!?!?!?!?

You want fun, son? Go to Disneyland...

Whether I know you or not, I'm going to INSIST that you ski properly or not at all.

...Skiing is serious business. You must treat it as such.
I am glad nobody insisted Chi Chi Rodriguez, Allan Doyle, Lee Trevino, or Craig Stadler golf properly.
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post #47 of 64
1/14/08 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
Fun?

FUN!?!?!?!?

You want fun, son? Go to Disneyland.

I am absolutely no fun to ski with. That's not my job. My job is to improve your skiing and everyone else's. Whether you asked for my help or not. Whether you're paying me or not.

Whether I know you or not, I'm going to INSIST that you ski properly or not at all.

I am exceedingly judgemental. If your hips or knees or elbows or ears aren't in exactly the right position, WE ARE GOING TO FIX IT. If I catch you smiling for any reason at all, we go back to doing snowplow drills on the bunny hill until that impulse to smile has been eliminated.

Skiing is serious business. You must treat it as such.
From "Remember the Titans" (edited a bit):

Bob Peters: You're smiling.
Petey Jones: Yes.
Bob Peters: Yes, sir. Why are you smiling?
Petey Jones: 'Cause I love skiing. Skiing is fun.
Bob Peters: Fun, sir? It's fun?
Petey Jones: Yes.
Bob Peters: You sure?
Petey Jones: I think...
Bob Peters: Now you're thinkin'. First you smile, then you thinkin'. You think skiing is still fun?
Petey Jones: Uh, yes.
Bob Peters: Sir.
Petey Jones: Yes- no, sir.
Bob Peters: No?
Petey Jones: Um, it was fun.
Bob Peters: Not anymore though, is it? *Is* it?
Petey Jones: Not right now, no.
Bob Peters: No, it's not fun anymore. Not even a little bit.
Petey Jones: Uh... no.
Bob Peters: Make up your mind. Think since you're thinking. Go on, think. Is it fun?
Petey Jones: No, sir.
Bob Peters: No? Absolutely not?
Petey Jones: Zero fun, sir.
Bob Peters: [addresses team] All right, listen up! I'm Bob Peters. I'm gonna tell you about how much... *fun* you're gonna have this season.

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post #48 of 64
1/14/08 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by crank View Post
All, I was not talking about taking lessons, I was talking about instructors letting go of their inner instructor, being non judgemental and having fun tearing around a mountain with some other skiers. You know - skiing.
That's why we (or at least my buddies and I) teach, so we can spend as much time as possible NOT teaching, just ripping around the hill with each other. Time on the mountain with your friends is what it's all about, not that "work" thing!
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post #49 of 64
1/14/08 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
You can't ignore me and I can't ignore you. Its the plight of the moderator. Ha!!
I can ignore you. It's pretty easy actually.
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post #50 of 64
1/14/08 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
Fun?

FUN!?!?!?!?

You want fun, son? Go to Disneyland.

I am absolutely no fun to ski with. That's not my job. My job is to improve your skiing and everyone else's. Whether you asked for my help or not. Whether you're paying me or not.

Whether I know you or not, I'm going to INSIST that you ski properly or not at all.

I am exceedingly judgemental. If your hips or knees or elbows or ears aren't in exactly the right position, WE ARE GOING TO FIX IT. If I catch you smiling for any reason at all, we go back to doing snowplow drills on the bunny hill until that impulse to smile has been eliminated.

Skiing is serious business. You must treat it as such.
That was refreshing. I like it.
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post #51 of 64
1/14/08 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by oboe View Post
That guy on the right - ya, that one, with the Kryptons and yellow jacket. He looks like the kind of guy that would be married to a psychologist. I saw another one of those just this morning while I was shaving.
Phil was in your bathroom while you were shaving this morning!?!? :




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post #52 of 64
1/14/08 at 7:45pm
WHen I am not getting paid or asked to teach.....You must ask me....otherwise when I ski with you....I am either chasing you or you are chasing me. My focus is the snow/trees/bumps/dirt/rocks/grooming in front of me.
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post #53 of 64
1/14/08 at 9:54pm
Well, after lots of experience in my real job and a few years as a ski instructor, I have become well practiced/trained at going "off duty" (thanks, honey!) I don't go around correcting people because I can and know how to. My instruction has a market value and I treat it like a job (my pay for a full-day private covers a car payment). I don't inflict it on others who haven't asked for it as though I have unresolved self-esteem or authority issues or something. People come to the mountain to have fun, not to be graded.

But, when I ski with friends, I will offer pointers only when asked or when I hear them complaining about something, e.g. "My quads are really sore!" "Well, you can take some of the pressure off your quads if you...."

Otherwise, the shop is closed.

Most of my non-instructor friends don't want advice on their skiing; they want to hear mountain gossip, news on conditions, intel on patrol schedules, tix vouchers from me, etc. They actually tease me about skiing like an instructor sometimes. Of course, we go back and forth.....
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post #54 of 64
1/14/08 at 10:29pm
too bad there is no such thing as spray on, social lubricant. You could just squirt some on your ski pro, and away you go!! They would always leave you wanting more of them. Charm, wisdom, grace, and gratitude would ooze out of them instantly. If they were a coin operated ski pro, you wouldn't be able to put quarters in fast enough. Ohhh, What a great world it could be....
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post #55 of 64
1/15/08 at 9:13am
Another possibility - your friend and his intructor friend give each other grief all the time, and he was extending the familiar behavior to you. Between friends, comments like that are common (good grief, you should read some of the "insults" I see flying around here on epicski ) but they can off-putting to somebody you don't know, sure.
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post #56 of 64
1/15/08 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by mosh View Post
too bad there is no such thing as spray on, social lubricant. You could just squirt some on your ski pro, and away you go!! They would always leave you wanting more of them. Charm, wisdom, grace, and gratitude would ooze out of them instantly. If they were a coin operated ski pro, you wouldn't be able to put quarters in fast enough. Ohhh, What a great world it could be....
The ski pros would probably only use this false social charm for the bar after skiing though.
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post #57 of 64
1/15/08 at 11:39am
What bugs me more are those that expect you to help their skiing. Usually starts with a conversation about some new thing they recently "learned" that think they do, but don't/won't/can't. Usually ends in disaster.
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post #58 of 64
1/15/08 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by Pierre View Post
I suppose I would be no fun to ski with in big icy bumps.
Well, in medium sized, mostly squishy sharktooth ones...
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post #59 of 64
1/15/08 at 8:59pm
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post

Another friend who's skied with him for many years, has been chiding him for "skiing like an instructor." In other words, skiing like he's thinking about how his form looks.
Heh heh. That's exactly what came to mind when I saw this thread. Although there are some fun ones, most can be pretty anal.
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post #60 of 64
1/16/08 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by Tsavo View Post
I ski with myself all the time and I think I'm a BLAST to ski with!!!!!
(get the idea?)
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