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Help which ski...Monster 78/88 Fisher 84/94

post #1 of 12
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Help figuring out which ski to get..

Me…level 7…
5’ 10” 240lbs…not a fat slob but could lose 20 or so…
Ski in Colorado always…

I have developed a taste for going on the un-groomed runs…
Don’t know if you call this off piste or not…
Too many nice runs that are ungroomed to ignore anymore…
Last year I used to avoid the ungroomed runs because they were too hard for me to ski, but not anymore…something changed…
Last year I really liked the groomed runs, but was skiing at Loveland yesterday with my wife and went into the ungroomed almost all day, they had 8-10 inches in the middle of the runs, and up to 18 inches on the sides of the runs…I am talking about Twist, Double Dip…
At first I was tentative, but quickly gained confidence and realized this is a blast...maybe it is the new boots…they fit much better…MUCH BETTER…

Now I want a fatter ski so I can go anywhere on the mountain, moguls are currently not a consideration…pure powder ski not needed…rentals can be had to do that…Back country not a consideration...


I currently am on a Head im72, 170cm..I want to compliment this ski not replace it…

I like the medium/larger size turns…
The im72 makes any size turn I want

I am looking at the Monster 78/88, Fisher Watea 84/94…

I have the opportunity to Demo all of these, but that will take time…give me an excuse to go skiing…

Looking for a ski that can go on the groomed 20%…ungroomed 80%
Ungroomed being blue/black(no moguls) runs on the mountain, powder up to 20” deep…

Can anyone give me input on these…
Is the Monster 88 too much…
Is the Monster 78 fat enough for someone my size…
Which would be better Fisher 84 or 94…
post #2 of 12
Thread Starter 
Just a Sunday morning bump...
post #3 of 12
I haven't skied any of these skis, so I am no real help, but I would think that wider would be better if you are looking to compliment and not replace your current ski.

Also, unless you are lucky enough to only ski within within a few days of a fresh snow, you are going to have to adventure off piste to get the type of soft snow conditions you want as the ungroomed runs in most areas that I am familar with tend to start showing at least soft moguls within a few days of a storm.

Good luck,
Matt
post #4 of 12
Hi Richard,

I'm an equally big guy who has been on these models. Easy recommendation considering the 20/80 mix you seek.

Consider the Watea 94 in its longest size. The Head 88 is a great carver & crud ski but its added stiffness compared to the Watea will make it less suitable in deeper snow. The Watea also very user friendly in all conditions.

The Watea 84 & Monster 78 are too skinny for deeper snow and not beefy enough for a big buy IMO.

Michael
post #5 of 12
I absolutely love the Head 77/78 (own the older 77 and have demoed the 78). I can see how they would be great all-mountain skis for CO, but may be on the narrow side for a lot of powder. The 88 is a very strong ski that feels like more of a hard-snow ski to me than the width suggests. I will have some time on the Watea 94 in another few days, and am looking forward to it. All of the research and recommendations on this ski have been positive. Good luck!
post #6 of 12
I would check out the Watea 94. It will handle reasonably well for the 20% you spend on piste and will handle much better in deeper snow. Given your size I would go with the 186. The Head and Fischer 78 will probably be too narrow for where you ski.
post #7 of 12
Since you already have the iM72 and are looking for a wider ski, the Watea 94 is the best choice of what you have listed. The iM88 may be a bit strong, and yes, the Watea 94 will be much easier than the iM88. The Watea 84 is too narrow for a complimentary ski, as is the iM78. The iM88 is a great high-speed crudbusting ski, but a little stiff. The Watea 94 may not be quite as stable, but still plenty stable, and much more versatile.

I wouldn't discount the iM78, but instead of as a compliment to your iM72, I would consider it as a replacement when the time comes. It will ski circles around the 72: most stable, almost as easy, as good or better edge hold.
post #8 of 12
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Thanks for all of your input...
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Apparently you have been skiing the Watea 94...
When can we expect your review...?
post #10 of 12
Sorry for thread drift but I am confused about the notion of Head im88 being too stiff for bigger guys. Right now I am 5'8, 140 and am using it in 175 as my daily ski. Yes it is not as good a powder ski as my Praxis 185 (136 waist) or Line Prophet 100 (100 waist). But that should be obvious given teh narrow waist. What you get though is amzingly good edge hold and excellent crud busting. Its actually very good on steeps too and not bad for straightlining but perhaps not as good as straighter skis like the explosiv for that. The flex is a tad stiff in the forebody for my weight (great for crud but only OK for powder). However, given that you weigh 100 pounds more than me, it should flex perhaps too much for you and should be a good/ noodly ski for powder. What am I missing? If the ski is about right/ a hair stiff for me at 140, how can it be stiff for powder for 240 pound guys?

Sorry, I am not tryign to be a dick, just trying to understand to see if I am on wong skis, would love much softer skis and jus don't know it?
post #11 of 12
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I would like to see the answers to those questions...
How much does weight determine what ski to get...
Would the iM88 with a 240 lb skier work better than one would think...?
Any body have any answers...
Not trying to stir the pot just reduce the number of skis I need to demo...
Need to ski more...
post #12 of 12
I was wrestling with the similar task not long ago, check out my thread at http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=63214
You may find a lots of useful info there for your decision making.
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