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post #31 of 52
Never saw the point of scraping whne I was living in DC. I skied my PEs last week without scraping. I didn't notice anything at all when skiing except one time on a really long flat groomer my glide seemed to be a little lower than usual. I only noticed it becuase my wife skied past me on htat section which is pretty rare. When I got home I noticed that the fresh snow here in UT definitely wasn't scraping the bases as well as the manmade back in the midatlantic used to.

FWIW and YMMV
post #32 of 52
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Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
You don't fix your core shots and you are too lazy to scrape (it takes seconds) your wax? Where do you get the energy to clamp your skis in the vise?!
Non-waxed skis work better than unscraped skis anyway. Just don't wax at all if it's too much for you.
Meh.
post #33 of 52
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
Never saw the point of scraping whne I was living in DC. I skied my PEs last week without scraping. I didn't notice anything at all when skiing except one time on a really long flat groomer my glide seemed to be a little lower than usual. I only noticed it becuase my wife skied past me on htat section which is pretty rare. When I got home I noticed that the fresh snow here in UT definitely wasn't scraping the bases as well as the manmade back in the midatlantic used to.

FWIW and YMMV
Oh sure blame it on the wax.
post #34 of 52
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Originally Posted by slider View Post
Oh sure blame it on the wax.
I am full of excuses.
post #35 of 52
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Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
You don't fix your core shots...
I said I do fix core shots (just not anything else).


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Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
...and you are too lazy to scrape (it takes seconds. 3 runs skiing takes much longer) your wax?
I wish I could do it in 3 seconds, but I find that scraping and then ensuing cleanup take far longer than I willing to bother with.

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Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
Non-waxed skis work better than unscraped skis anyway. Just don't wax at all if it's too much for you.
Actually, with regards to cold dry snow I'd agree with you, waxing probably isn't necessary in those conditions unless its race day. But for wet snow waxing is better even when you don't scrape before the first run. However, when I wax I always use a paper towel for the last pass so that the final wax coat is smooth and not too thick.
post #36 of 52
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Originally Posted by slider View Post
:: Now that's a surprise Max. I figured you for a real tune man.
Nope, those SuperShapes that I usually ski on haven't had a wax job in at least 30 days (maybe longer).
post #37 of 52
Well don't bother waxing next week. Single digits in the high desert. Get ready to rail some groomers.:
post #38 of 52

Finally touched on the problem

The real reason not to scrape - the big mess it makes on the floor. The rest of the tuning is fairly clean work, but cleaning up all the shavings is a hassle.

I can't feel the difference as a recreational skier. I've only come to a sudden stop that I couldn't stay standing once, and that was going from ice to asphalt.
post #39 of 52
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Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
Non-waxed skis work better than unscraped skis anyway.
Your credibility just took a run down the ka-ka chute.

I used to be a tuning fanatic...but I don't always scrape, if race level performance is not needed. Skis should not be scraped right away, but should be scraped after cooling to snow temperature if possible. I used to bring a scraper and scrape in the parking lot, but found it's rarely necessary.

Old argument, no new news here.
post #40 of 52
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Originally Posted by SpikeDog View Post
The real reason not to scrape - the big mess it makes on the floor. The rest of the tuning is fairly clean work, but cleaning up all the shavings is a hassle.
Yeah, and then your wife slips on the floor and hits her head and twists her back and calls you at work and yells at you for getting wax all over the floor and almost killing her and what did you want to kill her is that the idea or something.

I scrape outside now.

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I can't feel the difference as a recreational skier. I've only come to a sudden stop that I couldn't stay standing once, and that was going from ice to asphalt.
What wax did you use for that?
post #41 of 52
Under my tuning bench, I have a little "Shark" vacuum from college days that excells at sucking up wax scraping and metal filings. I am sure we all have a shop vac in the tuning area that we never use except when the basement floods. (I used my shop vac for the first time in ages the other day when a can of Fresca - yes Fresca - exploded in my car overnight in single digit weather. I thought I left a window open. Ice chips were everywhere.)

Anyway, stick it under your tuning bech and fire it up. Clean in 2 shakes.

Stick on the brush attachment to suck any stray filings etc off bindings, self etc etc.

SCRAPE AND BRUSH or your unit will fall off. Maybe not today, but any time now...
post #42 of 52
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I can't feel the difference as a recreational skier. I've only come to a sudden stop that I couldn't stay standing once, and that was going from ice to asphalt.
This explains a lot...
post #43 of 52
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Originally Posted by NE1 View Post
This explains a lot...
I was using rental XC waxless boards, and couldn't stop on the ice no matter how hard I snowplowed. The parking lot was unforgiving (spring conditions, packed hydrocarbon base, yellow lines with concrete blocks). Yup, that was the last time I ever did XC (1986).

Funny about the shop vac suggestion. I keep my little one in the attic, and it would probably do a good job if I broke it out.
post #44 of 52
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Originally Posted by SpikeDog View Post
The real reason not to scrape - the big mess it makes on the floor. The rest of the tuning is fairly clean work, but cleaning up all the shavings is a hassle.

I can't feel the difference as a recreational skier. I've only come to a sudden stop that I couldn't stay standing once, and that was going from ice to asphalt.
Oh man, that's base grinding 101 right there for you. Ow.

Anyway, I have a friend of mine who uses "Stunt Wax" which is advertised as "please do not scrape." He is not concerned with speed, and it works fine for him. He spends about 70% of his time instructing (he's PSIA), and I would assume that not scraping helps the wax just last longer whilst skiing backwards with kids.

Now that being said...when he is not scraping, and we are on the flats, I always always always outglide him regardless of how many runs each of us have done. I use Swix, and I scrape. Of course there are differences in weight and ski length that could factor in as well.

One thing that I see that keeps coming up that everybody seems to agree on...if the snow is wet/slushy, scrape. If you don't do that your skis will let you know they are displeased.
post #45 of 52
While dusting others getting to some light and fresh powder this AM, I was thinking of this thread and smiling the whole way.....definitely don't scrape and brush so:
1) you'll get seconds
2) the glide even in the powder won't be more enjoyable and smoother
3) you won't carry as much speed in powder with a base
4) you won't be able to eek out a few more turns on shallower slopes
5) you'll have to skate or pole more to get back to the lift on run-outs.....



(or was I dreaming this up )
post #46 of 52
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Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
(or was I dreaming this up )
yes,
post #47 of 52
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Originally Posted by SkiRacrNut View Post
Of course there are differences in weight and ski length that could factor in as well.
Not 'could' factor but 'does' factor.

I wanted to know how much of a difference it made so I waxed my skis, then I scraped one, but not the other. Then I went skiing. My kids mixed the skis up for me a few times during the first 2 runs. By half way through the second run I could not tell which was which from feel. When I looked at them I could tell but when skiing they both felt the same to me. And, even before the 2nd run, once I was moving they both felt the same.
post #48 of 52
Must have been too many endorphins.

I definitely do not have any incentive to not scrape and brush. Max, try your experiment on skate skis and see if you can tell the difference than.

Additionally, for wetter snow, aggressive base structure helps considerably as does freeing it with brushing after scraping.
post #49 of 52
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Originally Posted by billyymc View Post
Yeah, and then your wife slips on the floor and hits her head and twists her back and calls you at work and yells at you for getting wax all over the floor and almost killing her and what did you want to kill her is that the idea or something.
Must be something in the water, Billy! Back when I lived in your neck of the woods, I waxed inside once. But only once. :
post #50 of 52
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Originally Posted by SpikeDog View Post
I was using rental XC waxless boards, and couldn't stop on the ice no matter how hard I snowplowed. The parking lot was unforgiving (spring conditions, packed hydrocarbon base, yellow lines with concrete blocks). Yup, that was the last time I ever did XC (1986)
Now that's the original stone grind!

Brings to mind a few questions such as I wonder what conditions the area was advertizing for that "run"; most likely downgraded to "fair to good"!

or...How hard a wax would you need for ideal glide?
post #51 of 52
It's amazing how hard people "fight for their right" to "not scrape" after hotwaxing... then worry if their 1.5 degree base bevel should really be a 2.0 degree. ???????
post #52 of 52

Always scrape and brush!

Here is how I do it.

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