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As a bet with my vegan wife, I went vegan on the 1st for a month. If I win, there is a 3 day hut trip. If I lose, veganwife gets the 3 day hut trip and I watch the kids. So, I have ample reason to stay off the meat.

Granted it has only been 10 days but here's something I just want to throw out there. As most of you know, Crested Butte has been getting pounded lately. The other day I caught the 9am chair and skied powder all day until 4. It was relatively heavy snow (for the Rockies) and a lot of it. Maybe I am more in shape this year but I was still going strong at the end of the day. On previous powder days my legs were barking by 2pm. Quite honestly, I was shocked at my stamina and the lack of a recovery period/bonk at the end of the day. My question is this: are there any other vegans or vegetarians out there that might have had similar experiences when they went off meat? I can't say that I don't crave a giant porterhouse but if this is what I get in return, I might make a habit of it.

As an aside, my wife was a hardcore carnivore. She took up telemark skiing, then yoga, then went vegan. She's reading a book on Buddhism and meditating. I caught her patching her ski pants with duct tape the other day. So as I see it, telemark skiing is the gateway drug to becoming a full blown mountain hippie.

Que
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NOOOOOOO!!:

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My question is this: are there any other vegans or vegetarians out there that might have had similar experiences when they went off meat?
I've been vegetarian for 19 years ( and don't really remember going "off meat" so I can't give you that perspective. But I do ski all winter and hike / climb mountains all summer and don't lose stamina very quickly. I eat a lot of yogurt, fried tofu, soy products (fake burgers/fake chicken strips), and fruit and vegetables. On ski days I have a breakfast burrito with or without soy that keep me going quite a while.

What are you eating? It can be hard to balance the carbs with protein being veggie, as it's easy to overdo the carbs very quickly. That's ok once in a while but doesn't work for me as a habit.
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What are you eating? It can be hard to balance the carbs with protein being veggie, as it's easy to overdo the carbs very quickly. That's ok once in a while but doesn't work for me as a habit.
Great question. Beans, rice, a bunch of grains i've never heard of like Quinoa and Amaranth, pasta. Lots of veggies: spinach, zucchini, squash, leeks, potatoes, tomatoes, mushrooms, other green leafy stuff etc. All sorts of Boca products. Bocaburgers, Bocaschicken (which i think has some egg - ssshhh), Bocaribs (damn tasty!). I think those are all tortured soy products - what in the hell do you have to do to soy to make it taste like a rib anyhow??? Tofu, a good amount of it. Soy and hemp milk. Some sort of thing she called a "Field Roast". Looked like meat, didn't exactly taste like meat but was still good. I definitely think I am going overboard on the carbs.

Seriously, there was no bonk. When the lifts shut down at 4pm I could have gone for another 3 hours. I had an after-ski bourbon and then when home and threw snow for another four hours. It was unreal.

Also, while I joke that telemark skiing was the cause of all of this madness.... it was actually a book called the "China Study". I read a few chapters six months ago and put it down because I didn't want to stop eating meat. That being said, that book was a real eye opener. Essentially, what I took from it was that if you wan to avoid cancer, diabetes, heart disease etc.... just go vegan. In my twisted logic I saw that as a way of trading risk: give up meat and animal products, take up helicopter skiing, backcountry skiing and BASE jumping and my life expectancy basically stays the same. Haven't done the BASE jumping thing yet but certainly am pursuing the other two with zeal. Heh!
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I've been a vegetarian for 14 years, and ate meat quite sparingly before then due to growing up eating halal only and cheap . I can't really say about the change in stamina but I'd think it'd be less about taking out the meat and more about taking in more nutrition while you've switched to the vegan diet.

What have you been eating? Your usual foods just avoiding the meat and dairy or have you been eating extra nutritious stuff at your wife's suggestion?

I know several empty calorie, bad eating habit having vegetarians as well as many who are mindful of what they eat to make sure they get the nutrients they need. Personally I don't focus on not eating junk foods, instead I make sure that I do eat loads of foods that are nutrient rich and if I want ice cream after eating all those veggies and beans and cheese and grains, ice cream it is.
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Cirqurider, you are a cruel man Que, what is a hut trip?
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...Bocaribs (damn tasty!).
SO GOOD! I only treat myself to those once in a while, but boy are they tasty! I don't even know the difference between that and the real thing after all this time.

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I think those are all tortured soy products - what in the hell do you have to do to soy to make it taste like a rib anyhow???
Don't ask, don't tell?

As you said, I also think you're going overboard with the carbs. Or at least not getting enough protein. A pasta/veggie/grain-based meal is healthy and all, but it won't pack a lot of power in the long run. Do you add soy strips to those meals and scale back the amount of pasta? Sneak in some eggs (It's ok if they're cage-free, vegetarian free-range chicken eggs, right?)? More bocaribs for you?
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Cirqurider, you are a cruel man Que, what is a hut trip?
Essentially there are strings of huts located in the backcountry. Really, they are cabins, yurts, etc. They are very remote and can only be accessed in the winter on skis or snowshoes (foot, horse or bike in the summer). You reserve the hut for a specific night for a nominal fee for your party. You then ski from hut to hut during the tour. Most people use nordic skis but you can also use telemark or alpine touring set ups with skins. The main point of a hut trip is the tour in the backcountry. Some huts are in close proximity to backcountry skiing so you can get a few turns in if you have the right equipment. The most famous string of huts here in Colorado are the 10th Mountain Division huts http://www.huts.org but there are all sort of other huts available. Probably the most famous of all hut trips in is the Haute Route in the alps. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haute_Route

Hut trips are a blast if you have a good party.
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A pasta/veggie/grain-based meal is healthy and all, but it won't pack a lot of power in the long run. Do you add soy strips to those meals and scale back the amount of pasta? Sneak in some eggs (It's ok if they're cage-free, vegetarian free-range chicken eggs, right?)? More bocaribs for you?
Sometimes we do if we have it on hand. There is some strange soy thing that basically looks like bacon and sort of tastes like it. I can't remember what it is called but we seem to add that to a lot of meals. I'm sure veganwife has told me this on many occasions but soy-tofu etc is a good source of protein right? The good news is that I have always loved tofu if prepared correctly. Oh, what about humus or other chick pea stuff? Is that good for protein too?

I think after I win this bet, I'm going to start introducing some eggs into the mix. As I found out this morning, she's playing hardcore rules on this bet as I secretly thing she's angling for the hut trip - so no eggs for me right now.
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Good god, I though you meant a life without meat and skiing. I can certainly see giving up the meat, but let's not overdo it.
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Funny I have quite the opposite experience. I have lived most of the last 10 years on a restricted carb intake diet. For about three years I had no carbs at all save for one day of binging a week to replenish glycogen. I found that with no carbs I have very level energy levels, no highs and lows, just stable. Whats more no bloating, gas, or heavy feeling carbs give me and you go the bathroom less...a real plus when skiing. But you do need to drink more water, easy to get dehydrated on a zero carb diet. Oh and the last benefit, was fat burning like you would expect to see on a marathon runner. Everyone's different, but if I went vegan I think I would die. I like the taste of carbs but carbs dont really like me.
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BE like me...A Vegan, once removed. I eat cows..they eat vegetables. Besides..vegetables are what food eats.

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BE like me...A Vegan, once removed. I eat cows..they eat vegetables. Besides..vegetables are what food eats.
LOL....I play on this team
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BE like me...A Vegan, once removed. I eat cows..they eat vegetables. Besides..vegetables are what food eats.

Same here - second generation vegan - I only eat things that eat vegetables.
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I tried eating vegetarian once.

It didn't work out to well... They were hard to catch.:
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Eating only things that eat vegetables means no more halibut, salmon or crab.

I compromise by only eating food that is certified to be biodegradable.
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Funny I have quite the opposite experience. I have lived most of the last 10 years on a restricted carb intake diet. For about three years I had no carbs at all save for one day of binging a week to replenish glycogen. I found that with no carbs I have very level energy levels, no highs and lows, just stable. Whats more no bloating, gas, or heavy feeling carbs give me and you go the bathroom less...a real plus when skiing. But you do need to drink more water, easy to get dehydrated on a zero carb diet. Oh and the last benefit, was fat burning like you would expect to see on a marathon runner. Everyone's different, but if I went vegan I think I would die. I like the taste of carbs but carbs dont really like me.
I'm the same way. Since last summer, I've been restricting my carb intake, except for 1 or 2 days a week. And on that day I still don't eat hardly any refined carbs ( sugar, flour ). I haven't felt stronger since I was in college ( 20+ years ago ).
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I'm the same way. Since last summer, I've been restricting my carb intake, except for 1 or 2 days a week. And on that day I still don't eat hardly any refined carbs ( sugar, flour ). I haven't felt stronger since I was in college ( 20+ years ago ).
I did the low carb/no carb thing a couple of years ago. I have to say, I felt great and shed weight like crazy. I think I dropped 20 pounds in two months.

Then my wife went vegan. End of the "steak night every night" period of my life. I do have to say that our grocery bill is considerably smaller when the meat counter is bypassed. Oh the humanity.

That, and when I read the China Study (or what I read of it) I wondered if I had lopped a good ten years off the end of my life.
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I'd be up for a hut trip with a crossbow, mini fishing pole, and some bait corn. Ski all day, then kill something, skin it, cook it in an iron skillet, and eat it.
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I eat a lot of vegetable, beans, soy, but I eat meat, so I can't answer your question. I don't think vegetarians have an advantage in endurance sports such as telemark skiing. I have never heard of a vegetarian ski racer or bicycle racer for example.

If it's working for you, keep with it! The yoga and telemark skiing will help you stay strong too. I applaud your decision to try a vegetarian diet. You may decide to eat meat less frequently or rarely after January. I get the idea that you are not interested in quitting altogether. My kitchen is essentially meat-free but when I eat out, I usually get some meat. I should pack a lunch, but I'm lazy.

A friend warned me about estrogenic effects of soy, so I switched to whey as the protein component of a meal replacement drink I sometimes use. The health benefits of soy are well known, but I have soy in my diet, and I don't want to overdo it. I eat cheese, yogurt, legumes as other types of protein. Dairy is not great either, but all things in moderation.

I think you need a certain amount of protein and a certain amount of calories. Vegetables are good for you, vitamins. Eating only protein is wack. A little bit of fish in your diet is probably good, but beef, pork, chicken, maybe not.
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I'd be up for a hut trip with a crossbow, mini fishing pole, and some bait corn. Ski all day, then kill something, skin it, cook it in an iron skillet, and eat it.
Now that's earning your turns!
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Eating a well-planned diet is better than being on a see-food diet, wether it includes meat or not. Maybe you're just being more careful about what you eat and hence better-fed.

My daughter became a vegetarian after watching a cow die on a school trip to the slaughter house. It wasn't good for her.

edit: she was a vegetarian for two years
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My daughter became a vegetarian after watching a cow die on a school trip to the slaughter house. It wasn't good for her.
Field trip to a slaughterhouse? What was the teacher thinking?
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Eating a well-planned diet is better than being on a see-food diet, wether it includes meat or not. Maybe you're just being more careful about what you eat and hence better-fed.

My daughter became a vegetarian after watching a cow die on a school trip to the slaughter house. It wasn't good for her.
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Field trip to a slaughterhouse? What was the teacher thinking?
Lola was a vegan for 7 years...A pig roast did it for her.

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Field trip to a slaughterhouse? What was the teacher thinking?
It was a comunity and environmental leadership program. They went on all kinds of field trips, from farms to sewage treatment plants, and winter camping in Algonquin Park. I think he was probably thinking about how to get people to "eat lower on the food chain". It was those big brown eyes staring at her that did it.
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I did the low carb/no carb thing a couple of years ago. I have to say, I felt great and shed weight like crazy. I think I dropped 20 pounds in two months.

Then my wife went vegan. End of the "steak night every night" period of my life. I do have to say that our grocery bill is considerably smaller when the meat counter is bypassed. Oh the humanity.

That, and when I read the China Study (or what I read of it) I wondered if I had lopped a good ten years off the end of my life.
Better to have 75 years of eating Porterhouse than 85 eating bean sprouts.
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Eating a well-planned diet is better than being on a see-food diet, wether it includes meat or not. Maybe you're just being more careful about what you eat and hence better-fed.

My daughter became a vegetarian after watching a cow die on a school trip to the slaughter house. It wasn't good for her.

edit: she was a vegetarian for two years
I saw the PETA, Alec Baldwin movie and it made me so angry and sick to my stomach I thought I cant support this!!! Then I got invited to Peter Luger's (maybe the best steak house in the country for those who don't know) and as we ordered a porterhouse for four I forgot it all. How soon we forget.
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I dont eat meat..........I eat elk, deer, antelope, moose, bear, fish, beef, pork, rabbit, turkey, duck, goose, chicken, and once and a while something else.
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The currently popular book 'The Omnivore's Dilemma' by Michael Pollard (or Pollen or some-such) has an interesting take on the health aspects of eating beef. He claims that the problem is not being a carnivore per se, but rather eating industrial beef (or chicken) which is raised on an unnatural diet and pumped full of antibiotics to survive under high-stress conditions. His thesis, broadly simplified, is that the health effects move up the food chain with the nutrients.

I'm not going to be completely convinced by one book, but his arguments are reasonable and persuasive. He could be right.
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I like my meat red and full of steroids and GH thank you.
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