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Salomon Impact 10

post #1 of 32
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I don't really know the value of boot's reviews, but well...
Me : 200 cm, 85 kgs. Good skier but no expert. Previous boots : Old Rossignols freeride X.
Flat and narrow foot. 11.5 to 12 for my shoe size.
Boots tried that day : A lot... unconvinced by Kryptons, Nordica Speedmachines and Lange fluid among others. I know a good bootfitter can makes wonders, but I beleive a boot must fit mostly right straight from the box. (Meaning, no Krypton for me yet...)
Short list : Salomon Impact 10 and Falcon 10. (29)
Both boots had a pressure point on the top of my right foot, but much more pronouced with the Falcon. So much that I was afraid it couldn't be cured. The Impact also had replacable heels and toes pads (I need to walk with my boots). Both fits were pretty close, just a little roomier with the Impact. Similar flexes in the shop.
After mucho hesitation (the Falcon was so nicely tight, but for this pressure point), I went with the Impact 10, heat molded, fitted with a comformable custom footbed and a small heel "riser", as I felt too "flat" in the boots. No shell work.
Great liner (thin and stiff but still cosy. No need to tigthen the buckles as hours went by), nice buckles, nice stiff flex. Pretty happy so far (8 days. The first quite painful for my big toe, but presto fixed by the bootfitter). Just a minor problem with my heel, that I don't feel perfectly locked in the boot. Not a real issue (I don't slip in the boot) but a ... weird feeling at time. May still need some work here. To be fair, I skied this first week with both middle buckles almost unbuckled.
Nice boots, just a short step down the falcon and noticably cosier IMO.

I'm afraid the nice see-thru shell wont stay pretty very long, though...

post #2 of 32
Phillipe,
Glad you like them-I went from Rossis (Race 2) to Salomon (Falcon 10's -very similar to Impacts) as well and have been very happy so far. It took me about 5 days before I could close the instep buckle-my shoe is a US size 10 and I am skiing a 26.5

This is the first boot which held my heel and did not have to be punched out in the forefoot-awesome..I have a narrow flat foot as well.
post #3 of 32
So what kind of shell fit do you have with the 29 (ie, how many fingers behind heel)? I have an 11.5 shoe size, but the 28.0/28.5 shell was the right one for me (currently have 28.0 in the X-wave 9, which has the same lower shell design as the Impact).

I have been eyeing the Impact as my next boot down the road. I like the replaceable heel/toe pads, since I have to do a lot of walking in my boots. I'd be tempted to order a set as soon as I bought the boots, just to have on hand. I have had mixed luck trying to get replacement parts a few years down the road.
post #4 of 32
Its an awesome boot. Best way to sum it up is an all mountain boot that thinks its a race boot. very sleek and low profile. Incredible feel, great foot/shell contact. Just too big in the heel/achielles for me. Otherwise this boot is a model for future boots. I'm a 10.5 street and the 26 fit.
post #5 of 32
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post
So what kind of shell fit do you have with the 29 (ie, how many fingers behind heel)? I have an 11.5 shoe size, but the 28.0/28.5 shell was the right one for me (currently have 28.0 in the X-wave 9, which has the same lower shell design as the Impact).

I have been eyeing the Impact as my next boot down the road. I like the replaceable heel/toe pads, since I have to do a lot of walking in my boots. I'd be tempted to order a set as soon as I bought the boots, just to have on hand. I have had mixed luck trying to get replacement parts a few years down the road.
Sligthly more than 1 finger behind the heel, less than 2. I don't know about the Impact / X-wawe shell. The Impact feel cosier than the Falcon, but I would not be surprised to hear it's just a matter of 1 or 2 mm added here and there. That and a sligthly more padded liner (the Impact is still really thin and performance-oriented, but side by side, the Impact is a little more padded.) Both boots felt very close. Just an annoying pressure point with the Falcon, and the lack of replacable pads to make me choose the Impact.
I didn't tried a 28 / 28.5 shell. The 29 already feel plenty short.

Don't take my word re shoe size... I use French sizes, not US, and had just a quick look to a conversion chart. My Euro size, street shoes, is 45.5 / 46, depending on the shoes, that I wear quite tight.
post #6 of 32
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Its an awesome boot. Best way to sum it up is an all mountain boot that thinks its a race boot. very sleek and low profile. Incredible feel, great foot/shell contact. Just too big in the heel/achielles for me. Otherwise this boot is a model for future boots. I'm a 10.5 street and the 26 fit.
I didn't see your post.
There must be something wrong with my size understanding...
I used this chart
http://www.snowshack.com/skiboot-sizing.html
Which says that my 46 french is a US 12 or a 30 Mondo. I'm in a 29 shell, ie one size down. Sounds fair (I'm not a racer, I need to wear my boots all day long and to be able to walk without amputation...)
At 10.5 street and 26 mondo, you're 2.5 sizes down ! Do you have foldable toes ?! Or so much fitting work in those boots that they're now 28 ?

Edit : Your point about the heel is interesting. There's something wrong here. It's not too roomy, not painful, but it doesn't feel totaly right. I can't explain it, but someting is not perfectly dialed. I must see that with the boot fitter.
post #7 of 32
Thread Starter 
Update, after a dozen (full) more days :
- The liner is a breeze to extract and to put back in, compared to my old Rossis. Different density plastics : it works !
- One the boots leaks. The seal needs some silicone I guess.
- The see-thru shell is indeed scratched.
- I got used to the heel issue. Ie, not an issue anymore.

Still very happy. The fit is still tight, no packing of the liner.
post #8 of 32
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Originally Posted by cal to colorado View Post
Phillipe,
Glad you like them-I went from Rossis (Race 2) to Salomon (Falcon 10's -very similar to Impacts) as well and have been very happy so far. It took me about 5 days before I could close the instep buckle-my shoe is a US size 10 and I am skiing a 26.5

This is the first boot which held my heel and did not have to be punched out in the forefoot-awesome..I have a narrow flat foot as well.
I've used my impact 10's all season as a patroller as well and have no complaints-comfortab;le and stiff.

I, too m a size US 10 and take the 26.0-26.5 size boot (which, according to salomon is recommended for like a US 8-so if you try these, go smaller than you think you should).

Liam
post #9 of 32
I think the Impacts use the same overlap shape and gasket as the Xwaves. I always have to duct tape the front seam on my Xwaves in really wet snow or rain. It leaks like a sieve.
post #10 of 32
My Xwaves leak also, real bad. I sacked up my liners in a plastic bag and will ski a few day next week...hoping to have warm, DRY feet.

I am planning on getting some Zipfits before next season...any good ways to keep water OUTSIDE my boots?
post #11 of 32
I don't know for all of you guys, but I've had Impacts since mid-november (20-25 days) and I never noticed any leaking of the boot. I'm always dry, and quite ofently cold though.
post #12 of 32
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Originally Posted by Hellevhisse View Post
I don't know for all of you guys, but I've had Impacts since mid-november (20-25 days) and I never noticed any leaking of the boot. I'm always dry, and quite ofently cold though.
I bet you don't ski in rain and slush; unfortunately, I have skied 3-4 days on very wet snow this season in the mid-Atlantic.
post #13 of 32
Quote:
I bet you don't ski in rain and slush; unfortunately, I have skied 3-4 days on very wet snow this season in the mid-Atlantic.
I've did some pretty wet days out ehere in the east, rainy days, slushy ones ... Maybe how tight you get your boots will affect its leakproffness (I thighten mine alot)
post #14 of 32
Thread Starter 
To be more specific :
Yes, it leaked in very wet slush, with buckles quite loose.
post #15 of 32
I only buckle to the first notch on mine, so maybe that's it.
post #16 of 32
I skin in Falcon 10s. No matter if I have the buckles loose or "race ready," snow always gets in there. The shell is translucent; you can see it.

But, the liner has yet to soak through, so I don't care. They go on the dryer rack in the locker room every day anyway.
post #17 of 32
The water you might see in there might come from your foot sweatin and it turns back into water when it touches the cold shell of the boot. If your talking of something like fog in the boot, I have that too on mine but t's nowhere near uncomfortable and I ahve that fog every single day (cold or hot, dry or wet). But other than that, I've never seen any kind of accumulation in the boot.
post #18 of 32
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Originally Posted by Hellevhisse View Post
The water you might see in there might come from your foot sweatin and it turns back into water when it touches the cold shell of the boot. If your talking of something like fog in the boot, I have that too on mine but t's nowhere near uncomfortable and I ahve that fog every single day (cold or hot, dry or wet). But other than that, I've never seen any kind of accumulation in the boot.
There is a normal condensation of the sweat, and the resulting mist is indeed very noticable thanks to the "crystal" ( shell.
But there's also a distinct leak in very wet conditions, on one boot.
post #19 of 32
I have the X-Wave 10 and I've never noticed any leaking at all, even after I spent all of Saturday in the rain at Jay (9 AM to about 3:15 PM when the lifts finally closed from wind and ice accumulation). I've never had so much fun completely drenched on the outside from head to foot. I had to clean the ice and water off my goggles every 10 seconds.

Anyway, there's always a small bit of condensation visible inside the boot, even on the driest of dry days. But never a drop of water coming through the seam.

The transparent shell still looks great after two seasons.
post #20 of 32
id agree that some of the impact/falcon boots have loose gaskets at the toes...my falcon 10s do...a small percentage of the several hundred falcon/impact/scarlett/idol ive seen this year..

the impacts forefoot dimensions are shared with the older xwave series, but the shell design itself is quite different.

impact vs. falcon the impacts are 2mm wider and 3 mm higher in the instep which explains your initial feeling. the other big difference is in the calibre of the liner...although at first glance they seem to use the same leather liner, the liner on the falcon series is a good bit firmer and has a bit more anatomical shaping in the heel pocket and ankle area...
post #21 of 32

I am quite unsure how much the sizing has changed from 2008 to 2009. I have the 2009s.

 

I wear a 9.5-10 street shoe, and size my rock climbing shoes down to 7.5s or 8s (five.ten). Based on the Salomon boot fitting chart my foot was a perfect Mondo 28. Which fit me perfectly. I have a pretty sculpted foot and a high tolerance for tight shoes (five.tens) but there is no way anything smaller than 28 fit my foot -- even after heat molding. 

 

I've been hiking up and down mine and neighbors steep yards and still no issues with fit and comfort: these boots are super comfy for a 110 flex, yet no heel lift, and no toebox crush. No slippage whatsoever, and I wear them with only silkweight liners, no socks. 

 

So how you guys are 10.5+ street getting a 26 to fit is really amazing to me. 

 

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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Its an awesome boot. Best way to sum it up is an all mountain boot that thinks its a race boot. very sleek and low profile. Incredible feel, great foot/shell contact. Just too big in the heel/achielles for me. Otherwise this boot is a model for future boots. I'm a 10.5 street and the 26 fit.

I didn't see your post.
There must be something wrong with my size understanding...
I used this chart
http://www.snowshack.com/skiboot-sizing.html
Which says that my 46 french is a US 12 or a 30 Mondo. I'm in a 29 shell, ie one size down. Sounds fair (I'm not a racer, I need to wear my boots all day long and to be able to walk without amputation...)
At 10.5 street and 26 mondo, you're 2.5 sizes down ! Do you have foldable toes ?! Or so much fitting work in those boots that they're now 28 ?

Edit : Your point about the heel is interesting. There's something wrong here. It's not too roomy, not painful, but it doesn't feel totaly right. I can't explain it, but someting is not perfectly dialed. I must see that with the boot fitter.

 

 

post #22 of 32

You need to do a shell fit, not go by the chart.  You will probably find that the boots will be too big once the liners pack out (10-15 days on the slopes usually).  You generally want 1-1.5 fingers of space behind your heel with your toes just touching the front of the empty shell.  I am guessing you have more like 2-2.5 fingers with a 9.5/10 foot in a 28.0/28.5 shell.

 

I am an 11.5 shoe size, and the Xwave in 28.0/28.5 shell fits well (1-1.5 finger fit behind the heel).  I picked up a pair of Impact 10s on sale last year (they are stashed in my closet for the day when the Xwaves give it up).  I could have gone down to a 27.0/27.5 shell in the Impacts for a performance fit, but the cuff was much to low on my leg, so I went 28.0/28.5 again (solid 1.5 finger fit).

 

I think I'd read somewhere that the Impact was slightly bigger than the older Xwave for the same mondo size, and my experience tends to support that.  The BSL is 2mm bigger also.

post #23 of 32
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Originally Posted by font9a View Post

 

 

So how you guys are 10.5+ street getting a 26 to fit is really amazing to me.

 

Add me to the list of size 10-ers in a 26 shell.  In fact, mntlion has been saying that many people in size 9.5-10 have been using a 25 shell (yes, the bsl was increased 2mm compared to xwave).

 

28 is just way too big, i think.  Second the shell fit idea. 

post #24 of 32
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Originally Posted by djl View Post

 

 

Add me to the list of size 10-ers in a 26 shell.  In fact, mntlion has been saying that many people in size 9.5-10 have been using a 25 shell (yes, the bsl was increased 2mm compared to xwave).

 

28 is just way too big, i think.  Second the shell fit idea. 

 I concur.  I ordered a pair of Impact 10s from Backcountry outlet in my normal 25.5 size.  My shoe size is an 8.5-9.0 and I felt the Impact to be too roomy.  I shipped it back and am contemplating trying it in a 24.5.  Coming from an X-Wave 10 I was hoping the Impact would be a natural successor but I may have to look elsewhere if the 24.5 doesn't fit right.

post #25 of 32
Other than over-buckling, are there any modification tips on sealing the leaks* on the Salomon Impact 10's? 


* (Yes, leaks; not condensation)
post #26 of 32
I wear 11 1/2 u.s street shoes, and ski in a 27.5 impact (with Intuition power wrap liner).  Narrow heel, wide ball of foot (right one an
easy 10mm wider due to bunion), fairly low.  184 lbs. and 6'2".  Works great.
post #27 of 32

The mondo size thing seems a bit of a mystery, rather like flex indices which vary from brand to brand.  For what it's worth, I wear UK size 9, US 10 street shoes (snug but not tight), have pretty average volume/shape feet which are 27.3 cms long, and ski in 27.0 Salomon Impact 10's, in which my big toes are tight against the fronts of the boots when standing up straight, and even after thermo-fitting the liners (no mods to the shells, and no custom soles - just the standard ones already in the liner) the boots were uncomfortably tight in a number of places (in average thickness ski socks, definitely not thick) even when loose-buckled - had pins and needles, numbness, pain etc .  However I've now worn the boots for about 30 hours and they are great : no lateral or front-back foot movement, ankle flex fine, can flex toes, no heel lift at all, and comfortable.  They are fine when loose-buckled, and when tightened up are even better - about two notches in, with micro-adjusters in middle of the range.  Haven't tried moving the '3-D' ankle-buckle position; any suggestions about what it achieves?  Also, if the 'dismantable flex rivets'/bolts are removed, do I also need to take out the metal nuts inside the shells that they screw into to lock the cuff to the lower part of the boot?  What reduction in stiffness would that provide?  Some say 10% - 20%.  Shame that Salomon don't give guidance in the booklet that came with the boots, and can't find a valid email address for them to ask!

post #28 of 32

just want to thank you guys for sharing all the info. in this post. I bought some 2011 Impact 8s yesterday, out of 7-8 boots they felt the _best_ except for one small pressure point. I wore them around the store for a good 30 minutes, I'd never felt a boot so comfortable.  Last night I decided to wear them for another 20 minutes while I cranked up the tightness and did lot's of flexing. I found I was almost maxing the buckles and I was getting an increasing amount of play in the heels and toe box, the boot was getting more and more uncomfortable and just didn't really feel that tight.

 

That's when I jumped on epic and found this thread. I pulled the liners and found I had a good inch of play in the shell. 

 

Today I took them back and after a bit of discussion convinced the fitter to let me try a full size smaller, well holy crap, like a glove, feels amazing and no more pressure points, I get the impression it places my foot exactly where it needs to be. First time I've ever worn anything that fit off the shelf nearly perfectly. I'm a 9.5 US and I ended up with a 26.5.

 

I haven't been on skis since the mid 90s, and in my 11+ years skiing prior to that I did never experience comfort like this, I'm one happy camper.  I rode a board for 5 years or so in between and now that I've got my kids skiing I'm eager to get back in to the old 2 plankin'  These boots are going to make the whole transition that much more pleasant.

 

thanks to all that contributed

 

Neil


Edited by FishBowl - 11/14/10 at 10:53am
post #29 of 32

I'm a size 10 us, been skiing these in a 26.5 for two years-very comfortable and have had zero boot modifications (the only drawback is that my narrow calves require using a intuition eliminator tongue insert!

 

Liam

post #30 of 32

Have been advised by S+R that to soften Salomon Impact 10's just remove the flex rivets with an allen key, no need to take out the female part of each rivet inside the boot since it doesn't extend as far as the outside skin of the shell so shouldn't inhibit flex or cause any damage if left in place.

 

This apparently reduces the stiffness from 120 to about 105 on Salomon's flex scale.

 

Does this sound right?  Salomon's small instruction leaflet with the boots is pretty basic, their website much the same.

 

Average sort of shape foot, UK 9, US 10, Mondo 27 boots with no mods: excellent snug fit mid-buckled (with practically zero heel lift, foot movement or slip) and can be cinched down evenly tight if required without maxing out the buckles, although then not as comfortable and hardly any increase in control as far as I can tell so I don't bother.

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