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Unsportsman-like conduct

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Did any of you watch the mens 4x10k XC relay?

Did you check out the antics of that Italian butthead (no offense M@tteo, it's not the country, it's the man)????

At the beginning of the last leg of the relay, Norway and Italy were pretty much dead even, with the Norwegian (sp??) guy in front. He was leading the Italian, and asked the Italian to lead for a while so they could share the leading work and each get to draft for a while. But the Italian refused to pass. At one point near the end, the Italian got in front but slowed down to almost a full stop, because he refused to take the lead.

This was the most unsportsman like thing I've seen in a long time. :

As they came into the finish area, my wife and I were on our feet screaming for the Norwegian. After leading the entire leg, and having the Itailan pass him with about 200-300 meters left, he skated past the Italian to win.

You know he won purely out of anger at the Italian. You could see how mad the Italian was that he lost, and the Norwegian was practically laughing in his face.

I think the Italian XC team needs to go hide their faces in shame and offer an apology to thier fans for being such rude competitors.

Of course, at the same time, it proves how much stronger the Norwegian was, that he could let the Italian draft the whole last leg and still beat him.
post #2 of 16
It's all part of the sport – the mental part of the sport. It's not like he tried to trip him or stab him with his pole besides, he got his comeuppance for it. He lost. What more could the Norwegians ask for in way of retribution?

You have to admit, it made for an exciting race.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 18, 2002 11:49 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Sugar Snack ]</font>
post #3 of 16
Sandbagging? Sounds like competive cycling.... Part of the game.
post #4 of 16
I don't know about unsportsmanlike, you are both trying to win, and it's not in the rules that you have to help out your opponent. Sounds more like gamesmanship to me - the Norwegian could have stopped and let the Italian skier just pass him. (Wouldn't that have been funny - both of them stopped, refusing to lead and let the other draft).
post #5 of 16

That is actually what happened. They both did stop, and Alsgaard the Norwegian, wanted the Italian to take the lead. After a brief moment, Alsgaard decided to heck with this and took the lead towards the finish. He did say in the post race interview that he was very irritated and that it had motivated him. Seeing how the Italian crossed the finish line and slamming his pole in the ground, he was not happy about being out-sprinted as he was supposed to be the faster finisher of the two.
post #6 of 16
I would have to go with JohnH on this one. That was pretty pathetic. I am sure Norwegian guy was pretty close to flipping Italian the bird after the finish.

I believe that there are certain unwritten rules, someone mentioned to me once that during cycling road races if two guys break away and one wipes out the other one would actually wait for him. Of course it is all selfish - it takes two to stay ahead and it is easier that way.
post #7 of 16
Interesting eug... I have heard the same thing in cycling, but I wonder if in this case it applies (and I am completely clueless about the sport). Most unwritten rules are things like - don't steal a base when you're up by eight runs, or don't run up the score. In this case drafting is obviously going to play a part in the outcome of the race. I would assume the skier who drafted prior to the finish would have the advantage in that he/she would have more energy for the final sprint. From that perspective I can see why the Italian would not want to lead.
post #8 of 16
HA! The day a Norwegian has to worry about an Italian on XC boards will never come.
post #9 of 16
I agree with JohnH & Eug, the Italian was very naughty. Tut, tut, tut.
As mentioned, drafting and changing leaders happens in cycling (both indoor/track, and road races - just watch the TdF), it also happens in the longer distance speed skating and some longer distance running.
Unwritten rule, yes
Unsportman like behaviour by the Italian, I'd have to say yes.

post #10 of 16
No problems John, I beleive my shoulder are
strong enough to carry that.
I take it personally every now and then, and reply in kind but not at every
and each, otherwise I should duel with half of the world!
As for the race, sorry, I haven't seen everything, I was following it on a German channel, and as you may well understand, the focus was on the German team there.
Also they were continously flip flopping from
the xcountry to the women SuperG, which was more of interest for me. In the end I saw little of both!
So, I cannot comment, firsthand, if the behaviour had been unfair or not.
My two cents (after talking to colleagues who have watched the race):
-Race strategy is up to each racer, and their coaches, the purpouse is winning.
Of course I do not condone dirty (foul) play, or to allow extra point to a competitor, with the excuse of being "under pressure".
And doping offends me much more that anything else (just to bring an example of what I see as foul, I am not implying that the Norwgian were).
But what you describe seems to me just strategy (well ,but of course I'm an Italian, and everything is relative).

I saw Asgaard the Norwegian grin at the finish, but I thought it related to the last "hiccup" (at the last turn or just before it they had an elbow meet...) and I was really impressed by his drive, and not having witnessed what you report, I just thought:"wow, this guy has pure nerves driving him! what strength!"
Compared to him my compatriot, looked weak, and I said to me "well, the better wins"
-The last Italian (Zorzi, btw) was a sprinter, very strong at sprinting, and 10 km may have been too much for him.
Still, the Italian team has won the silver medal, right? And I think they earned that (being inferiors, like Roto suggests).
Or is the IOC/FIS going to take that away?

Roto, oh yeah, women like DiCenta, Valbusa,
Belmondo, are not to be accounted!

The Norwegian are strong, stronger than us Italians, but all in all (Olympic championships and World championships) I think the count is even (relay wise) 5 to the Norwegian, and 5 to the Italians. And correct me, if I'm wrong, the Italian team won in Lillehammer, right in the lion's den.
That was then and this is now, of course so:
My cheers to the Norge team altoghether!
post #11 of 16
I gotta agree with you John. That was pathetic and I rooted for Alsgaard afterwards.
post #12 of 16
The commentary I heard was the Italian's tricks actually cost him the race. The Italian is known to be a stronger finisher than the Norwegian. When the Italian wouldn't pass the Norwegian was able to rest & regain some strength for the home stretch. This extra strength allowed him to keep up with the Italian at the end.
post #13 of 16
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Roto:
HA! The day a Norwegian has to worry about an Italian on XC boards will never come.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ummmm the Norwegians lost to the Italians on their home turf in Norway. Did you miss the Lillehammer Olympics?

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 19, 2002 10:36 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Sugar Snack ]</font>
post #14 of 16
I'd have to agree with everyone that's posted above witha asense of humor. I would have loved to have been the norweigen when he passed the italien. That is possibly one of my favorite olympic moments (next to Bode miller's ski-god-like recovery in the DH run of the Alp. Comb.). Nice guys finish what?
post #15 of 16
I have to agree with the comparison to cycling.
The Italian drafted for most of the race, on the last climb he attacked and took the lead, trying to shatter the Norwegian, and make him crack. At the top of the climb is where the Italian pulled out and wanted the Norwegian to lead again. That was where the frustration came to a head. This is a tactic. The Italina but blew it in the end. If he would have stayed in front after that last climb he probably would have won. But since he pulled a questionable tactic by pulling out, the frustration from the Norwegian combined with pure anger and adrenaline made him push harder than the Italian.

Back to Cycling....

Pantani is bashing Lance Armstrong in the press again. I guess one Tour de France win is better than three in a row????
post #16 of 16
I was watching the 4x7.4 XC yesterday. Towards the end the Norwegian was way in the lead but the German & the Frenchman (Poiree I think) in 2/3 place were 'competing' for who should go behind & who in front. The Eurosport coverage missed what happened as they switched to the winner - so how did the German suddenly get 20ft in the lead when the Frenchman is the better sprinter?
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