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post #31 of 45
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Phenomenal takes. I agree that the same principles apply in all types of skiing: fluidity, balance, athleticism, awareness and a bit of "pushing the envelope" (to bring us full circle). I find it harder to push if I'm one of the best skiers in the group and now prefer skiing with folks better. I find that they also tend to to be more imaginative and creative in terms of how to go around or over natural obstacles and how to make the mtn. a natural playground...I think that's really cool. I'm still learning about all the possibilities and that's what I find so exciting.

So that end....all y'all...get out there and start skiing that snow!
post #32 of 45
Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
It's good to challenge and scare yourself a little on a regular basis. The key is to know when to back off. As I'm fond of saying, "I'm not too old to hit it hard, I'm just too old to fall down hard."
+1, me too.

I ski a lot with my son, nephew, and some 2nd cousins who are all young teens. They are advanced skiers, but not yet experts. I often find myself ratcheting down a notch because I know they will be right on my tails and I don't want to lead them into anything they really can't handle. That said, I will often lead them places that I know will test their skills to the limit. I just make sure they approach it cautiously. Its not always terrain either. last season I took my son on a run that was steep and complete ice on top. I wanted him to learn how to handle the conditions because we all get there sometime or other. He actually thanked me for it later.

So I guess what I'm saying here is that as the leader of the group, I feel a responsibility for the group.
post #33 of 45

Run some gates...

...under the direction of a good coach. That'll open your nose up...
post #34 of 45
I find myself falling into the habit of always skiing the same line on difficult runs. I enjoy it because I try and pick an intersting line, know what's coming and can hit it harder, but I usually don't regret it when I force myself to ski the other side or some alternate variation, even if it is technically easier the unknown factor keeps me on my toes more.
post #35 of 45

this thread has me wishing I was on the hill right now pushing the envelope instead of sitting on the couch watching football. (still recovering from last weekend)

definitely ski with other people. I'm astounded what this has done for me already this season compared to my usual Hans Solo routine. Even skiing with people who are not quite at your level can boost your confidence as you lead them down good lines and show them how it's done.
post #36 of 45
Originally Posted by Mashed Potatoes View Post usual Hans Solo routine.
What about your Napoleon Solo routine. (OK Bears, name that reference - without Googling it.!)
post #37 of 45
This thread reminds me of the old K2 poster...

"You push the envelope. we'll lick the stamp"
post #38 of 45
Originally Posted by UtahPowderPig View Post
IMHO, that means they aren't ready for the challenge. ( but, maybe we're talking about two different things. If somebody is scared into a "pizza wedge" on top of great scott, they could very well end up dead instead of scared. )
I'm referring to terrain that won't (literally) kill you very easily. Unless the skier is a complete idiot... that's a different story. And my reference to the "pizza wedge" was a bit of an exaggeration. IMHO, once you are good enough to ski terrain that could very well kill you, I think you need to be very conscious of your decisions and not necessarily push yourself too hard too quickly because obviously it could be fatal.
post #39 of 45
Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
This thread reminds me of the old K2 poster...

"You push the envelope. we'll lick the stamp"
I had that poster in my pool table room in my last house in Tahoe.
post #40 of 45
How about forgetting all the flawless technique crap and being aggro crap and skiing the most difficult line/conditions crap and try to focus on having fun? That's what I do, and there are plenty of times when I think to myself that maybe I should throttle back a bit - that without noticing it I'm "pushing the envelope". If you're out to have fun instead of trying to impress everybody, all the other stuff just falls into place. At least that's been my experience. To many people tend to think way too much about it.
post #41 of 45

Question for the board...How do you keep pushing yourself out of your comfort zone when you ski? What I mean is that the only way to keep getting better is to keep challenging oneself is by taking on more difficult terrain and skiing with people much better than yourself.
Without reading all of the posts, there is a flaw in this thinking. To keep on doing the same things, but on tougher terrain will only reinforce what your technique is limiting for you. For example, if a wedge skier goes to harder terrain, the wedge only gets bigger which limits the effectivness of skiing the harder terrain. There is different technique involved in skiing the harder terrain. The same holds true for more advanced technique. The best way to improve is to learn what it is to be dynamically balanced on your skis and adapt that to any terrain. From there, the balancing movements drive the technique needed to improve. A qualified instructor/coach is someone that can help you to learn to be a balanced skier.

post #42 of 45
Ron, I agree with you to an extent. However, I can say from experience, skiing at Mad River or other very challenging mountains helps bring out ones skiing. I say this with the understanding that skiing over one's head can be dangerous. Even if only to prove to yourself that you need to do more if you want to 'push the envelop'. There is a lot to be said for skiing in a group with great skiers.

On the other hand, we have a group that skis together and sometime when the snow is good, the group 'steps it up'. We had a friend in the group who was trying to keep up. He got pretty banged up and he still has problems from the injury. It can be a false sense of security.

I firmly believe in skills as a foundations. If you have the skill, you can step it up a lot more than if you don't. I won't speak for others on that point, but if I am skiing well the skills are there.
post #43 of 45
Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
What about your Napoleon Solo routine. (OK Bears, name that reference - without Googling it.!)
Way too easy: Man from U.N.C.L.E., Robert Vaughn and David McCallum as Napoleon Solo and Ilya Curiacum (??spelling??)--before Robert Vaughn started hawking for Joe Borstein.
post #44 of 45
Originally Posted by samurai View Post
if you want to up your game, get stronger.

It's amazing how much easier it is to ski when I am in awesome shape.

So simple and true. In addition to strength, remember to work on your flexibility and balance as well. You can get killer core strength and balance by working out on a bosu. There are many other devices to help your balance.
post #45 of 45
Originally Posted by Taxman View Post
Pushed the envelope once. Ended up with paper cuts.

Originally Posted by locknload View Post
Lots of great responses here. Particularly, I liked what Bob and Harry said. I guess the bottom line is that there has to be some inherent pushing out of one's comfort zone but it must be small forays out of the comfort zone that one builds on incrementally. I think most of us here are reasonable people and agree being reckless endangers yourself and others and that is not what we're talking about. I think Harry said that you only gain so much from skiing perfectly on groomers and that at some point you have to be willing to make mistakes on terrain that is slightly about your head. Like anything in life, there is always doubt as you attempt new things for the first time. I hope to continue to be smart and push myself in smart and safe ways but continue to strive to be a better, more aggressive skier.
Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
What helps is skiing with skiers better than you. I found this when I skied Magic, I got to ski with some Maggots that really pushed me. The downside was afterwards, I got on myself a bit by saying to myself..."Obviously, you have the ability, why can't you ski like this all the time..."
In this regard, I'm better today, by far, because of Bumpphest, and skiing with the group(s) I did at ESA Stowe. It was above my ability but not above my desire!
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