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post #1 of 11
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krypton love?
OK, since this not a review, just some conflicting information I've run across, I wanted to put this in a discussion thread as well as where I buried it in a reveiw...
so here's what I wrote.

Not wanting to draw fire here, but, Since there has been so many positives and accolades put on this boot as of late, I thought I'd throw my research into the mix so there is some balance... (we can't agree on everything, right?)

I am due for new boots, and post and read at epic a bit. with all this amazing flexon/krypton action, the FT coming out and making me think i can have a light AT/resort combo boot, I was intrigued. I tried them all, compared them to my racerpros,and was close to buying a pair. all the research is so positive, they fit well, the intuition felt great...
then,
I talked to the 2 people whose boot opinions I respect the most. One kept the gloves on and said, "Be sure to ski it first. I couldn't make the thing work and can't figure out what the internet hoopla is about". The other took the gloves off and said, " as long as your don't really want to edge, they are great". He also mentioned that the dalbello tech guy said he would have to tweak his ski technique and become a "knee" skier to make it work. (by the way, i don't have an ax to grind. the dalbello rep is great guy and has hooked me up w/ skis in the past, I hope he gets lots of business) Also, both of these guys are top notch. one was a FIS level racer and then did boots and ski tunes at the world cup level and now owns a shop while the other tests skis and boots and was the boot developement guy for a major brand at one time.

so, I don't this is a big deal. I just think there needs to be something to make people think twice before jumping into this based on this internet krypton love, as I almost did.

One of the guys I quoted is actually getting me a boot to demo, even though I've pretty much decided that it's not for me (as a highly ankle oriented skier). He is a dalbello dealer who only sells the proton, but wanted me to ski the krypton for another impression from an overly picky and sensation intensive skier. So I will give a review at that time.

Once again, I just wanted to let people know what my research has turned up so they have more data...

cheers,
Holiday
post #2 of 11

Kryptons, the other way to ski?

I started on leather boots and progressed through the orignal Langes, top line Rachlies, Nordicas, Technicas, was a pro patrolman in Montana for for years and skied every kind of god awful snow you can imagine, then went through 10 years (2 pairs) of Flexons, 5 years of Solomans and now the last 2 1/2 seasons on Krytons. I ski out west, ski everything, generally avoid hardpack, and I carve my turns. I love my Kryptons for more reasons than anyone would want to hear. After the 5 year break with a traditional boot the first run on my Krptons literally brought a tear to my eye. I was in touch with the snow and the terrain again.

If I had to guess I would say that Kryptons are for "feel" skiers and not "technique" skiers. Compared to my Kryps top line race boots feel like my feet have been shot with novicane. Sure they are super responsive, but I can't feel my skis and the snow. It works but it seems purely mechanical. When I am cruising crud, bumps or uneven terrain Kryptons are like having shock absorbers (which I can tune to my personal preference). For someone with a race or instructor background they probably feel like complete slop, but they will also allow me to do things that are impossible for me to do in a stiff race boot. I don't now what an "ankle skier" is, but I do know that my knees love my Kryptons.
post #3 of 11
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Originally Posted by Holiday View Post
so, I don't this is a big deal. I just think there needs to be something to make people think twice before jumping into this based on this internet krypton love, as I almost did.
Like your boot guy saying its a good boot for your foot.

Love my Kryptons. But, I think you got some good advice. The Krypton have very different feel than my previous boots - Technica Icons. I could see someone not liking progressive flex feel or putting another way not have a boot that is very responsive to forward lean.
post #4 of 11
Being one of the very first "consumers" to be in this boot, I was at the forefront of the "internet hype", maybe I ever started it, I don't know. Coming from 20 years in a Flexon, I had a seamless transition to this boot. The Krypton just worked..(now the key words) for me. Normally it takes days to adjust to a new boot, with the Krypton I felt at home w/in 3 turns. I refer the Krypton as a Flexon on Steroids and I will still stand by that. I based that statement on the fact that skis that felt god with the Flexon were mow being overpowered once I skied them in the Kryptons. As a side note, just not having to deal with the metal bails of the Flexon and the better metal buckling system of the Krypton is also worth it.

All that is well and good and one man's opinion, It is what fits your foot that matters. Your foot doesn't care what brand/name/color/ect is on the outside of the boot.
post #5 of 11
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
I started on leather boots and progressed through the orignal Langes, top line Rachlies, Nordicas, Technicas, was a pro patrolman in Montana for for years and skied every kind of god awful snow you can imagine, then went through 10 years (2 pairs) of Flexons, 5 years of Solomans and now the last 2 1/2 seasons on Krytons. I ski out west, ski everything, generally avoid hardpack, and I carve my turns. I love my Kryptons for more reasons than anyone would want to hear. After the 5 year break with a traditional boot the first run on my Krptons literally brought a tear to my eye. I was in touch with the snow and the terrain again.

If I had to guess I would say that Kryptons are for "feel" skiers and not "technique" skiers. Compared to my Kryps top line race boots feel like my feet have been shot with novicane. Sure they are super responsive, but I can't feel my skis and the snow. It works but it seems purely mechanical. When I am cruising crud, bumps or uneven terrain Kryptons are like having shock absorbers (which I can tune to my personal preference). For someone with a race or instructor background they probably feel like complete slop, but they will also allow me to do things that are impossible for me to do in a stiff race boot. I don't now what an "ankle skier" is, but I do know that my knees love my Kryptons.
totally agreed, kryptons will let you ski off trail terrain of all types faster, smoother, with less pain and overall more efficient.

FYI alot of snowbird junior racers are using this boots now yes even for racing. I dont feel as if there is much lacking in hardpack performance on them.
post #6 of 11
I can't wait to get my Kryp Pros. My liners (Dalbello ID Silvers) should be in at the end of the week (I hope!!), and then I take my three hour drive to go pick them up!

With that said, my Atomic M10's have probably been about the best boot I've had in a long time. The only other one I remember fondly is a pair of Salomon Integral F9's - the ones that were all cable bails as well. They were super comfy and pretty warm, but not the best as far as being reactive - they were a tad sloppy.
post #7 of 11
As an acknowledgement of Holiday's points and a caution to Axebiker, I can tell you that when my wife switched from Technicas to Flexons she could barely ski for the first three days. She eventually figured them out and has been on them for 8 years and refuses to even discuss another boot. She has progressed into an excellent all-around skier and I attribute it in great part to the Flexons, but she was ready to kill me the first few days she skied them. I should also mention that she has had multiple major knee surgeries (none ski related) and can ski bumps or crud all day with no problems, so the Flexon/Kryps do not require some weird knee technique to operate, it's just a matter of adapting to the increased progressive forward flex.
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
As an acknowledgement of Holiday's points and a caution to Axebiker, I can tell you that when my wife switched from Technicas to Flexons she could barely ski for the first three days. She eventually figured them out and has been on them for 8 years and refuses to even discuss another boot. She has progressed into an excellent all-around skier and I attribute it in great part to the Flexons, but she was ready to kill me the first few days she skied them. I should also mention that she has had multiple major knee surgeries (none ski related) and can ski bumps or crud all day with no problems, so the Flexon/Kryps do not require some weird knee technique to operate, it's just a matter of adapting to the increased progressive forward flex.
My wife went from a Salomon Optima 8.1 to the Flexon without any issues. She did ski in a traditional overlap for a season until the womans Krypton came out and really missed them in that time. She is very happy being back in a 3 piece shell. The middle buckle is her favorite feature because it pulls her back into the heel pocket so well.
post #9 of 11
Thanks, Mudfoot. I appreciate the heads-up. I think you and I have similar thoughts/views/etc. on skiing and gear. I'm certainly willing to do what it takes for something more comfortable/responsive/warm, etc.

I change gear often enough that I never get too used to anything. It's like switching skis halfway through the day -- going from twins to slalom race boards and vice cersa. You look like a fool the first couple runs, but after that, you get back to the basics, adapt and go back to looking like you *might* just know what you're doing.
post #10 of 11
Mudfoot- out of curiosity what did your wife say she had to do to adapt to the Kryptons. I just picked up a pair of Pros and to say they felt weird would be an understatement. I was having a lot of forefoot pain and numbness ( i pretty much knew I would need the front punched when I got them) so obviously my skiing wasn't normal, but the Krypts really felt different then my Nordica Beasts. I am curious if there is anything specific she did to feel at home in these.
post #11 of 11

You gotta pay your dues to get into the cult.

NYski:

Not sure exactly what she did to finally figure them out, but there was a lot of cursing and crying during the process. I went through the same thing when I went from Technicas to Flexons, but when I went "back" from X-waves to the Kryptons I felt good right from the first run, but I had 10 years on Flexons under my belt.

FWIW, I ski mine with the big forward lean block, and my wife uses the smaller on block, which I tried and hated. The Kryps need to be skied from the front. As I've mentioned in other threads, conventional stiff boots generally feel like you are hitting a wall when you lean into them, giving them (and your skis) an on/off feel. I ski the Kryptons with the front of the boots always weighted to some extent, even on the flats They will seem stiff if you ski then like coventional boots because you are not leaning on them to start with.

Don't be afraid to rest your weight against the front of the boots. If you did this in your Beasts you would feel like you were ahead of your boots, and your ankles would get sore rather quickly. In order to make this work you need to figure out the proper forward lean wedge for your style. Some people ski them without either wedge, but it seems from comments I've seen here, and observations on the slope, that the bigger wedge is the most popular.

For me, skiing the Kryps has too big advantages. They act as shock absorbers, and it is much for difficult to end up in the back seat. They require a little more forward knee movement to make them work than your Beasts. The movement to engage the boot for a turn is not as subtle as with the Beast, but the advantage is that, because you have a slightly larger range of motion with the Kryps, you have a much more subtle feel of your boots, skis, and the snow.

With a conventional boot their is almost nothing to focus on as far as forward pressure on your boot, you are either pushing the boot or not (on/off). Try to focus on the feel of your ankle against the Kryps. Something you have always taken for granted now needs to be attended to. Coming off the Beasts it may be a bit of sensory overload at first, but once you tune into it you will gain a new feel of your skis and the snow. Start by resting your weight against the front of the boots and then push from there to turn. The neutral postion of the Kryps is farther forward than most boots. Once you get the feel of that the rest should follow quickly. When you learn to trust the boots they will start to do a lot of the phyiscal work of skiing for you. It really is a different way of skiing, but they don't have a cult following for nothing.

Most boots are doing nothing for you until you lean into them to turn. The Kryps can be working for you all the time if you trust them and keep the fronts weighted.
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