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post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
Me: 6"2" 225 lbs, ski east.

I despise the instructors slippy slidey turns. IMO, if it ain't a racing turn, you're just getting down the hill. It does not have to be arc-to-arc.

Without destroying the tune, I need some recommendations for skis that are going to slow me down. The problem is I prefer the High Performance turn to all else, unless bumps are on the menu.

My current quiver consists of Stockli AT @ 186, Dynastar course 66 @182, Atomic SL11/M and Dynstar Omecarve 10, both 165's.

I like the omecarve 10 the most, as being softer, it responds better at slower speeds than the SL11/M does -- so I can do the movements, and feel the forces without going as fast as the Atomic would prefer before springing to life. I also really enjoy the Stockli, but I'd prefer using that on a closed trail. Under my weight, the 66 is junk. The Omecarve 10 can really rock if you push it too....

Having demo'd in the hypercarver class in the past, the 10 is my favourite "daily" ski. (Everything except deep snow.)

I want a daily ski that will handle crud better, with a bit more float, especially in the spring. Should be ok in bumps too, prefer that it is not a 1 dimensional crud tank.

Tried: Head 1400 @170 -- could not hold an edge -- must've been the tune. Ficher RX-9 -- VERY lovely ride, but may be too fast in my opinion. Atomic SX-11 -- Good, but not as good as omecarve 10. Rossi B2 (76mm underfoot) slow yes, but very boring feel. Rossi 9S -- microturner -- can make slow/tight, race bred turns, but will probably last 1 season under my size. Elan ripstick -- soft tip wanted to fold up.

Of the above, demo's, the RX-9 was by far the favourite. Don't know what spring conditions would be like though....
post #2 of 30
Have you considered an RX8?
post #3 of 30
Thread Starter 
Yes, but with it's dimensions and lightness, it ought to be just as good as the Omecarve 10 in the spring.

I'm actually thinking a ski in the class of the Omecarve 10 or even 9, but wider....

Something like the old Salomon X-Hot @ 176 (82mm underfoot). I loved that ski when I demo'd it, it could do it all.
post #4 of 30
Nordica Enforcers?
post #5 of 30
BigE, I really liked the RX9 as well and felt it worked well in many situations. It also dumped speed by spoiling the tail edge a bit which was a very easy maneuver on that ski. You say its a bit fast, but If you are railing skis with a fairly long turn radius you are going to cover a lot of ground unless you really complete the turn and transition into the new turn well ahead of the fall line.

If I understand your question, you want a ski capable of railing modified GS turns that also controls your speed. Have you tried the discontinued Volkl Allstar? I think you might like it. Another ski I really liked with a GS radius but much wider was the Nordica Afterburner. This ski seems capable of tracking on firm conditions while give a lot more off-piste options. This one would certainly give you float and a good turn platform in crud and spring conditions.

In a shorter turn radius with narrower waist, the Nordica Mach 3 Carbon is a fun ski. It can be tenacious in edge grip and is capable of very high edges without losing its carve. I'm suggesting the M3 Carbon and Afterburner because both have a softer flex than the metal reinforced top line models. Your comment on the Omecarve 10 suggest that the stiffest ski may not be the right one for you, and I agree. The best turns come from a ski that bends.

I haven't had a chance to hit up SierraJim for more demos this year yet, so my experience is all on last year's models.
post #6 of 30
Thread Starter 
Comprex, Nice to hear from you!

BTW: The Stockli skis are extremely fast and as stable as a table. I have never been so confident going this fast as on these skis. They are quiet running. An excellent ski to use when you want to ski very fast.

They have a rather small sweet spot, their stiffness and length demands accuracy and commitment. They are quite ok at short skidded turns, just stay centered.

Also, you'd better like lots of air, as they are so fast that rolls become ramps!

EDIT: I do not consider the stockli a very stiff ski, just stiff enough to have a smallish sweet spot.
post #7 of 30
Thread Starter 

I think you are correct. I seem to prefer a softer ski for daily driving. I do not consider the Stockli stiff. I DO consider the Atomic SL11/M stiff. *It's race stock.

I have demo'd the volkl p-60, which had awesome edge hold, but I found it to be too narrow. It did it's job very well, but I don't need that sort of ski.
post #8 of 30
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by comprex View Post
Nordica Enforcers?

Ski gear guide 2007: "Stay centered and put on you speed face. The Enforcer is a powder ski with super G roots."

Comprex, SLOW!!!
post #9 of 30
Just get a pair of WC SCs and wax them with that stuff the cross-country skiers use for stiction; that ought to slow you down
post #10 of 30
Have you tried the Contact 11/Limited?

Fischer Progressor?

How about Head SuperShape? If that is too "hyper-carve" how about the Magnum?

post #11 of 30
Thread Starter 
No, I have not tried that ski. I was thinking Contact 10 could be a good idea.....but will lack float (225 lbs)

Magnum will be too fast.

The supershape is a good idea, but all these skis lack float.

The only skis that I have demo'd that comes close to fitting my bill were the Salomon X-hot or the Elan 662 (now 666/Magfire 12).

I assume that the Magfire 12 may work out, if it is not too floppy. My experience with the ripstick being too soft in the forebody indicates dual TI sheets are needed ( Ripstick had just 1).

What replaced the X-hot?
post #12 of 30
172cm Metron B5
post #13 of 30
Thread Starter 
Thanks Bushwacker, I never considered that stuff. Maybe M11?
post #14 of 30
Originally Posted by BigE View Post
What replaced the X-hot?
A huge decrease in stock prices.
post #15 of 30
Fischer RX (Cold?) Heats?
post #16 of 30
Originally Posted by BigE View Post
What replaced the X-hot?
X-Wing something. Pretty nice skis actually.
post #17 of 30
Originally Posted by epic View Post
X-Wing something.
something = Fury or Hurricane?
post #18 of 30
Originally Posted by comprex View Post
something = Fury or Hurricane?
I'm thinking Fury or Tornado. I think this year's Hurricane is last year's Fury, btw. They really do thier best to keep it confusing.
post #19 of 30
How about K2 Public Enemy's? Seriously. They have a fairly slow base (non-graphite). A sidecut in the high teens in the shorter sizes and 20m in a 179cm. They make really nice short GS carves, being torsionally stiff, but easily transition to a very nice skidded or pivoted turn. They are a great choice for skiing technical trees or steeps where you don't want to be carving all the time, but there may be a chance to transition into a carve. Very easy to control your speed on them.

I have several pairs of stocklis.....there is no such thing as speed control on them....
post #20 of 30
Thread Starter 
That's a good idea too, thanks.

Yes, stockli makes a very amazing ski. I have a wooden AT, that literally vanishes under my feet on the hill. I find the very comfortable, but you must still pay attention. Especially when they get moving.
post #21 of 30
Stockli Rotor might be to your liking.
post #22 of 30
Thread Starter 
How could I forget?

Rossi B2

Definately slower than any ski I own. I recall skiing them at Le Massif. They were very slow, very damp, very low energy, did not deflect in crud yet could make a very wide variety of turn shapes. Loved to skid yet could still be carved.

Perfect, when there is snow on the hill, given the 78 mm width.
post #23 of 30
Considering your size, I have two observations: You demo'd skis too short. A 170cm Head 1400? I'm 2" shorter than you and 45# lighter - the Head 1200 in a 170cm is on the short side for me. I'd be MUCH happier on 174's. You also talked about float - at 225#, you mentioned nothing I'd consider even mid-fat, and I'm from MN!! Also - too short. The closest you had was the Magfire. Try the Magfire 14 in a 176 if you think the Mag 12 is too floppy. I can guarantee it won't be floppy...

The B2 is an adequate 1 ski quiver if you never get deep or off-trail much. I like Rossi's. You may want to try the Z9. It's a better ski than the B2, and can do almost all you're looking for.
post #24 of 30
Thread Starter 
Yeah the 170 head was all they had at the demo tent. I wanted the 177. The 170 would'nt hold an edge to save it's life - they actually put it away after. But my 165 Omecarve 10's would hold.

Maybe the magfire 14 would work, but I don't think it'd be slow. When I tried he Rossi B2 on the other hand it was very slow. That's what I'm going for -- something to stop me from skiing like my hair is on fire.
post #25 of 30
Originally Posted by BigE View Post
Maybe the magfire 14 would work, but I don't think it'd be slow.
Oops - yeah, forgot about that. Not the ski for you then. But you should still maybe try the 12.
post #26 of 30
Thread Starter 
Don't get me wrong. I've been skiing each and every run of the day like my hair is on fire and gates are set up everywhere..... That really has to stop. I'm too old for that, but with a fast ski I can't help myself and try to max the performance out of the ski at all times. I did ski the Elan 662, and did the same thing with it -- Max out the performance.

Ever ski the Stockli AT? with a 27M radius, it's like a modern GS ski. Man does that thing fly. Damp and stable with awesome grip. My favourite "go fast" ski by far. Unfortunately, everything becomes a "go fast" ski, after a couple runs, even if it's a hypercarver. It's just the turns that get shorter.

Sure, I can ski my stuff slowly, but it's like curb cruising a Ferrari.

Thus the need for "slow skis" -- to reduce the desire to ski like my hair is on fire, and ski the way that the ski was intended to be skied.

Probably Rossi B2 or a Metron.
post #27 of 30
What about a Nordica Top Fuel or Nitrous? I switched to a TF last year from a Speed Course 66 after I tore 2 important ligaments in my knee.

They slowed me down, tighter radius than the 66's and are great in a variety of snow conditions. I really like them. Although I would not call them slow.
post #28 of 30
Sorry to say but i really dont think there is a slow ski ,only skiers who learned to ski slow

Skiing fast is easy ,its work to really learn to slow it down.
post #29 of 30
Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
172cm Metron B5
That. Spent a couple nights on these earlier this year. All the shape makes them dump a lot of speed when you make longer turns.
post #30 of 30
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by skidbump View Post
Skiing fast is easy ,its work to really learn to slow it down.
I don't know about that. Pointing your skis downhill is easy, but ripping shorter carved turns at speed is tough. If it were easy, we'd all be on the WC running SL.

If I'm gonna curb cruise, I want a ski that rewards that style. Both Metron and Rossi B2 do that, but in different ways. The B2 likes to skid, and the Metron likes only the very short fully carved turn.

I saw someone skiing the Metron a few weeks ago, making nice SLOW carves on every sort of pitch. The speed appeared pitch independent -- on the steeper stuff, he was sort of just hanging forwards off the hill. Looked like a sequence of ski photos, each stuck in time at different points downhill. The carves were much more powerful than the Omecarve 10's.

That appeals to me way more than the swishing and swaying of the skidded instructor turns favoured by the B2.

The solution of course, is to get both.

Does the B5 lose it's camber quickly or have they sorted that out?
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