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post #31 of 48
Where is this ski area where it takes 2 hours to take one run???? I guarantee you could drop me off the top of any ski area in the U.S., and I could WALK down in 2 hours.
post #32 of 48
Thread Starter 
It's Winter Park, Vasquez and Parson Bowl. And yes I know you could walk faster than him.


About hiring someone to ski with me as a "friend" to show him what real boarding is like, I think it would be kinda hard to find some 14-16 year olds for hire... = /
post #33 of 48
Babo,

Hard? Not at all - they work cheap (a free lunch might do the job quite nicely)! I wonder if I'm remembering correctly that Earl Saline works at Winter Park? Stay tuned!
post #34 of 48
Taking even 1 hour to reach the bottom sounds incredible.
There could be many explanations for this.
Regardless, though, it sounds as if (That is, if you're sure he's not just inventing this pathology as a way of ditching you each run) he may suffer from riding regular, when he should really be set up goofy (or vice-versa).
Inability/unwillingness to commit to one turn direction is often indicative of the novice rider who was told what his stance bias (goofy or regular) should be, by a friend or instructor who asked him which foot he kicks a ball with, which hand is dominant, etc. there are innumerable myths about stance bias indicators, out there, and, unfortunately, an unending parade of well-intentioned friends and "professionals" keeping them in circulation.
Discuss having him turn his bindings around, suggest it as if you think it would be "cool" for him to try riding the other way, to showcase his undeniable talents.
This could be the end of his problems.
post #35 of 48
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Babo,

I wonder if I'm remembering correctly that Earl Saline works at Winter Park? Stay tuned!
Unfortunately, Beaver Creek/Brian Dunfey wooed Earl away from us at the beginning of the season. He was my Clinician this week at Copper Mtn for my Cert 2 Prep Clinics. He got my 45 year old body into the superpipe for the first time. I didn't see any other women my age venturing in there. Those walls are massive and a little scary in flat light.

I've seen several people in this category around WP this season. I'll usually stop, give some quick tips, and then hand them a referral card for $10.00 off a lesson and my business card. Sounds like this friend could use a trip to Sorenson Park. BTW, if anyone would like a lesson discount at WP, all instructors carry referral cards for $10.00 off adult or kids half day lesson products, $25.00 off half or full day privates. They are good all season. So, if your friend has his own equipment, a half day lesson would only be $49.00 for an all day lift ticket and half day lesson. A bargain!
post #36 of 48
There are definitely a lot of people out there who shouldn't try to snowboard. The falling leaf heel side only way down the mountain is not artistry, it is gaperific. When people say snowboarding is easy, this is what they're talking about, anyone can slide down a mountain using only their heel side edge, but the toe side turn takes skill.
You're friend is still a gaper after 9 years of snowboarding, that's pathetic.
post #37 of 48
Babosnow, buddy, man it's a drag.

I had an imaginary friend like that too once. :

Bab's my man, this is word! It's time you got a new imaginary friend! :

Have you run this by "Dear Abby" ...
post #38 of 48
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There are definitely a lot of people out there who shouldn't try to snowboard. The falling leaf heel side only way down the mountain is not artistry, it is gaperific. When people say snowboarding is easy, this is what they're talking about, anyone can slide down a mountain using only their heel side edge, but the toe side turn takes skill.
You're friend is still a gaper after 9 years of snowboarding, that's pathetic.
When I drop in switch, I turn my board to the right to slow down. When I'm natural, I turn the board to the left (I'm regular). Usually, I turn the board to the left. I try not to change direction when I turn my board sideways. Just remember point the board downhill to speed up, across the hill to slow down. It's not rocket science.
post #39 of 48
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Rusty...you're joking, right? Linked and carved turns aren't really advanced riding technique...I was linking turns my first day on a board, and carving so I could lean over and do the gloves to the snow thing in my first season.
No he isn't joking. Being able to rail down turns on a say 185 GS Raceboard and you'll be able to get down pretty much anything where a mountain holds snow on. Many if not most big name freeriders where on racing teams in their youth even as nowadays the follow the marketing crap of carving sucks imposed by the marketing managers..... Linking a carved turn with your hips or chin on the snow is nothing a beginner can do. Breaking at the waist and sliding the gloves in the snow, yes after a few days definitely, though that's not good technique at all. First learn to turn, then learn the rest of skills that's the best way to learn.

Even Tom Sims made turns on his snurfer 20 years back as a "stunt model" for Roger Moore as James Bond. If you have the skills you just attack the mountain with proper skills for what it's worth. Like doing huge arcs on you 2m swallowtail down a 50° big mountain face to outrun any skier or boarder on kiddy snowboards (for me that is basically 95% of all snowboards sold) in the flat run out, or taking a 170-180 longboard and doing jumpturns down a steep mountain to approach some gnarly cliffs to spin 360s of some 70-80footers. I betcha if you go to freeride events like Verbier Extreme everyone can rail down turns on a slope with great technique too. Note that a many freeriders are not bad in Boardercross either (i.e. Xavier De le Rue) and for BX you better know how to carve properly, cause if you're on the inside you can't use the bank to let you flow through the turn, so better know how to do it than giving up your position cause overtaking is mighty difficult.

If you want to be the best freestyler of course, you don't need to be able to ride very good, better go training on a trampolin instead. The descripted rider above however, would first need to get some lessons to learn basic skills before talkin bout art of snowboarding.
post #40 of 48
Thread Starter 
Well thanks for all the advice guys!

My friend has decided that he is going to switch to skiing and expects me to teach him how. I will try, but man it's going to suck when he insists that he is ready for a black when he is still wedging....
post #41 of 48
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Well thanks for all the advice guys!

My friend has decided that he is going to switch to skiing and expects me to teach him how. I will try, but man it's going to suck when he insists that he is ready for a black when he is still wedging....
If you decide not to teach him, those of us in yellow and blue are but a short trip away in Sorenson Park.
post #42 of 48
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My friend has decided that he is going to switch to skiing and expects me to teach him how.
Friends don't let friends ...
teach friends.
post #43 of 48
Ditto Rusty, get him some professional help first, or if not professional, at least someone who knows how to ski, but doesn't know him
post #44 of 48
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Well thanks for all the advice guys!

My friend has decided that he is going to switch to skiing and expects me to teach him how. I will try, but man it's going to suck when he insists that he is ready for a black when he is still wedging....
I could provide you with simple exercises that you could use with him, on-piste, to promote proper turning on his board. .it could be fun for the two of you.
post #45 of 48
He should only be wedging in the turns; the straights are for schussing!
(well that's how I learned).
post #46 of 48
1. get him in a lesson
2. Do not get him on an ALPINE (not downhill) Board.
3. He doesn;t get a new board until he learns how to ride his current board
4. Keep him out of the steeps, trees and bowls until he can ride safely. Those are places for advanced skiers and riders who have the skills to react to the changes in terrain that they are likely to encounter.
post #47 of 48
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Originally Posted by Babosnow View Post
Well thanks for all the advice guys!

My friend has decided that he is going to switch to skiing and expects me to teach him how. I will try, but man it's going to suck when he insists that he is ready for a black when he is still wedging....

Don't do it. make your friend take a few lessons, first.
post #48 of 48
falling leaf the whole day?
he must have developed a pretty good set of calves
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