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East Coast 1 Ski Quiver Ski?

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I am a 37 YO male, 5'6" 145lbs. I am looking to buy new skis to replace my 197 salomon prolink 2s (to come into this century). Two skis have been recommended to me, the volkl ac30 163 and the fischer progressor 165. The latter being pushed harder.

I know there are some opinions on all mountain skis being mediocre for all, but I can only afford to have 1 pair of skis while I am trying to get my family skiing.

I am an expert all mountain skier that spends most of my time on intermediate trails with the family but like to hit the steep stuff and some bumps when the 2 kids and wife are in lessons. I suspect my 10 year old son will take a liking to glade skiing as he gets better, so I need some flexability. Would I be sacrificing anything going to either of these skis? Does the 70mm vs 76mm waist really make that big a difference or is this splitting hairs?

Thanks in advance for the thoughts.
post #2 of 23
Simple - Dynastar 8000.

Enough width (80mm) to be reasonable on those infrequent EC powder days, but also good edge grip for the normal boiler plate.

More of an old school feel than the AC30 (can slide the tails around easily), but the AC30's marginal in powder.

You can also add the Nordica Top Fuel to the list you might want to try out.
post #3 of 23
I would recommend the head monster i.m72 163cm
You can find them on ebay. I used to think that anything under 74mm waist wasn't "enough ski" for me. But for the east coast, you don't need something that's too wide--true powder days are rare. And anything that's wider than 76-78 will start to hurt mogul performance.

The monster i.m72 is easy to maneuver, great in bumps and carves wonderfully. Despite its narrow waist, it has a wide shovel, so it doesn't get tossed around in crud. It is truly the best "go anywhere" ski i've experienced. Plus, it's a relatively inexpensive ski--so you don't have to break the bank. Plus, you can get it with the railflex system, which gives you extra versatility--you can change the binding position forward or backward and you can change the bindings to fit any boot all with just a screwdriver and about 2 minutes.

I used to own a pair of volkl 724 exp's (the precusor to the current AC30). While volkls have a great feel while going mach schnell on hardpack, they are demanding skis and don't do as well in moguls. And they punish you if you have less than perfect technique. So they're not as versatile.
post #4 of 23
I would read this:http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...highlight=71mm

Scott provides great reviews and is about your size & skill level. Here he covers several of the skinnier skis, these are versatile enough for Vermont snow days IMO.

If you are looking to go wider than than this, the Dynastar 8000 & Head Monster 78 are great skis, but will feel a little slow when going from edge to edge. This is the primary difference between skinny and midfats ski on firmer snow.

post #5 of 23
I demo'ed Nordica AfterBurners last spring at Squaw after spending most of the winter on the East Coast on Dynamic VR17 Slaloms.

I found that the extra width (skiing on an 84mm waist after skiing on a 65mm waist) was very noticeable for the first few runs, but by the end of the day, I had adapted my skiing and didn't really notice any more.

Do not fear wide waisted skis. You just need a ski that is torsionally stiff so it will hold an edge.
post #6 of 23
I will cast another vote for the Head Monster 78 as a near-perfect one-ski East Coast Quiver. Though, I would encourage you to look for cheap deals on left over skis and try to assemble a two-ski quiver with one narrow-waisted Ice Coast carver and one wider for powder/slush/crud, if at all possible.
post #7 of 23
i am 165 lbs, 5'10" and ski the iM72's in 170 cm and i agree with mrzinwin
post #8 of 23
Haven't been on most of the skis mentioned, but I'll definitely vouch for the Nordica Top Fuels as being something to consider.

Excellent edge grip and decent float and the remain perfectly stable in crud.
post #9 of 23
Originally Posted by RiDeC58 View Post
I will cast another vote for the Head Monster 78 as a near-perfect one-ski East Coast Quiver. Though, I would encourage you to look for cheap deals on left over skis and try to assemble a two-ski quiver with one narrow-waisted Ice Coast carver and one wider for powder/slush/crud, if at all possible.
I'll second that emotion. The Head iM 78 Monster is the best one-pair quiver I've ever used . . . not that I'd ever actually HAVE only one pair - but if I did, it would be the 78 in the 165 length. I have not found it the least bit "sluggish" edge to edge, and I'm a really so-so skier.
post #10 of 23
stockli stormrider XLs. best skis I've ever been on. i had them out this past weekend and the weekend before christmas in vermont. they were great when they hit the powder, blasted through the crud, held on the ice, and loved the trees. they love to go fast on the groomed stuff and didn't get unstable at high speeds at all
post #11 of 23
I don't have as much experience with equipment as other people on this board but I quite enjoy my Rossi B2s. I'm 5'8" 160lbs. and ski it in 174cm. I ski mostly in northern VT and it has been great for me.
post #12 of 23
A one ski quiver is a great addition to any ski collection.
post #13 of 23
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by newfydog View Post
A one ski quiver is a great addition to any ski collection.
Nice, It took more posts than I thought for that comment!

I will add the Monsters to my demo list...Any thoughts on either the progressor or the Ac30 as goto skiS. It sounds like Dawg is positive on the progressors based on the review, but they seem to get a little lost in the review.
post #14 of 23
Head iM77 or iM78
post #15 of 23
I'm 5'10 about 150 and ski east coast. last year the same as you i was still on old skis just happen to also be pro links for the most part. I choose the AC 3 for the edge grip ( superb ) and i wasn't looking for a ski with a big shape for east coast i just cant see it. I love the ski its great, but for our size i found it a bit heavy, and as mentioned yes the tails tend to slide both easily over come. The HEAD ski would be my second choice. As always with all mountain skis they for the most part do nothing great but try to do a little of everything. I can can for sure recommend the AC 30.
post #16 of 23
Forgot to mention for myself against all ski shops recommendations i got the 184's. Also coming off old skis which were always long i went as long as i could. I have no regrets on the length demo different sizes if you can i didn't but have no regrets.
post #17 of 23
Thread Starter 
Forgive my ignorance, but what does a "heavy" ski feel like. Or what problems does it cause while skiing?
post #18 of 23
Im no expert on skis just my personal feelings im sure some would not agree. A heavy ski can take more effort to turn in some conditions like bumps, the ski would tend to be stiffer and can toss a lighter skier around easier than a heavier skier. Heavier and lighter skiers do tend to prefer different skis. I found in one of those last storms we had with the deep snow i seemed to get tired it was more work i went to the truck got some mogul skis (very light ) and had a blast. Dont get me wrong i love the ski for east coast we dont get to many days with snow, they just seem to be the heavist i ever had and can require more effort for some conditions.
post #19 of 23
thoughts on the volkl ac40 to fit his situation?
post #20 of 23
Good choice.

post #21 of 23
Originally Posted by scmentz View Post
thoughts on the volkl ac40 to fit his situation?
Would fit well...
post #22 of 23
OK, my .02: Since you like the Sollies and are not a large guy, I'm gonna disagree with the various Volkl/Head suggestions. AC40's are quick and great on ice, yes, but also stiff and beefy, not my first choice for bumps or trees. More to the point, you would want to buy them so short (170 max, maybe 163) that they would have zero float, and not all that much stability in heavy crud. AC30's are a touch softer, better for speed, but IMO are not as quick or fun as the 40's, more of a heavy GS ski to the 40's fat SL feel. And also too stiff to be fun in bumps or soft snow. iM78's are a lot better in terms of flexibility, bump and crud performance, have a unique smooth feel, but they are not ice skates. You'd need to pay a lot of attention to keeping your edges at serious angles (say 1/3). I could go on, but you get the idea. Think about other brands.

So my choice if you're more interested in speed and precision on hardpack: Contact 4x4's. They are light, but have serious edge grip, are very quick to initiate, and the taper allows remarkable versatility in how you finish. I owned the 11's, loved them for everything from ice to calf-deep pow, superb in bumps, but they had a speed limit. 4x4's are 11's on steroids.

Choice if you want more bump-ability and soft snow float: Blizzard 8.1's. These reportedly are what we all wanted the AC40 to be; lighter, even better edge grip, softer in tip for easier turn initiation and no dive in pow, bit less overall stiffness to allow more shape adjustment in mid arc. IMO, Blizzards are the best ski out there now for eastern skiing.

Choice if you are more about trees, mixed snow, and eventually trips to larger mountains: Atomic Crimson Nomad. Like any Atomic, will do just fine on hardpack, but unlike most, enough flex and lightness to be great in soft snow and in tight places. Atomics have never been my cup of tea, but I've heard so many good things about these I want to try a pair.
post #23 of 23
I agree with Wildcat that you don't need wide skis in the East. More than half of the time I ski my Fischer RX8's (somewhere between 66 and 68 mm waist), even off-piste. I have never encountered conditions in NY or VT that required skis with a greater than 78cm waist (haven't skied Jay yet tho).

All of the skis that are recommended are good choices, but I would keep to the skinny side in choosing an Eastern one ski quiver.
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