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Jake Burton

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
This is not about starting a skiers vs. snowboarders fight. But it is about what the only comment in this story says. I tend to agree with the comment. What do you guys thing?

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2007...000-to-rogues/
post #2 of 27
The Snowboard market is flat, where skiing it is feeling a resurgence. But this is more marketing than anything else. Look how much advertising he is getting for $5,000.00. If you don't support this, stop taking about it .
post #3 of 27
You know I just saw a graph, chart whatever in the latest TWS. Snowboarding definitely had a flat year past. Skiing had dropped off and showed a bit of a resurgence last year. Looking from 10yrs back though the skier numbers are way down and the snowboard numbers are way up. What does it mean? I don't know. I don't think either sport is going anywhere.
post #4 of 27
Disclosure: I ski and snowboard.

We live in a country where a private business cannot discriminate against someone b/c of their race, sexuality, appearance (which to some degree, is a choice), political inclinations (which certainly is a choice), religious affiliation (again, choice), gender (technically, a choice! )...yet, a ski resort can tell you that you cannot come there based on what you choose to strap to your feet. It makes no sense, whatsoever. And we can bring up the whole boarders scrape snow off the runs, are all young a-holes, etc arguments all we want. But at the end of the day, the resort is punishing the competent, polite snowboarders out there (yes, they exist) while still allowing the rude, incompetent skiers (yes, some of them exist too) to ski at these very same resorts.

Stupid policy. Period. IMHO.
post #5 of 27
I don't care what someone is using to slide down the hill, might as well say that right off the bat.

Around here there's a snowboard only hill. It's tiny, but so are most hills around here. Are these snowboard only hills terribly uncommon? I've been wondering that since the first thread I saw on here about the poaching video contest.
post #6 of 27
I think the poaching idea is a terrible one.

While I think it is wrong for hills to prevent snowboarders from using a hill, in fact it is flat out discrimiation and I can't beleive it hasn't been fought and won in court yet.

I think Jake Burtons new campaign only futhers the bad rap of snowboarding, and will only move the sport back a few notches.

snowboarding isn't the new cool, skiing is. Snowboarding has had ZERO progression of it's equipment in the last few years. Snowboardings market is way way way too flooded with different brands of boards and equipment and hence there isn't the same urgency or spotlight on new equipment as there is in skiing.

I like snowboarding I did it for many years, but I found it just a useless way of moving and exploring a mountain. As a snow device to get off a chair and go straight down a fall line to the bottom they are a blast. In fact there is nothing like a snowboard in powder. But they are just a royal pain if you want to move around the hill at all.

Snowboarding is here to stay but I think we will continue to see it's popularity drop off.
post #7 of 27
Burton boards are being sold through Costco.
That can't help Jake with the distributor and retail channel he has built.
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by Marmot mb View Post
Snowboarding has had ZERO progression of it's equipment in the last few years.
You're kidding right? Did you see that you can get chrome buckles for your high backs now? Yeah baby, CHROME.
post #9 of 27
PSA: Jake's name is Jake Carpenter, not Burton. Burton is his middle name... just so no one sounds retarded talking about him.
post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
Burton boards are being sold through Costco.
If they're selling at Costco then Phil's sure to buy one!
post #11 of 27
...oh, and as for snowboards not being progressive, dual radius sidecuts, Fish shapes, Magna Traction, Banana Tech... they are out front technology-wise, don't kid yourselves.
post #12 of 27
on a somewhat related aside...

i find it interesting that 3 major snowboard companies have either been making or have begun to make skis:

Lib Tech (I believe this is the third, fourth or fifth year that they've had the NAS: Narrow Ass Snowboards. This season they added a new powder model to their park and all-mountain line-up)

Prior - Canadian company based in Whistler has been making skis for at least 5 seasons now. They currently have 3 models (they, too, just released a powder plank)

Palmer - the one "black sheep" of the snowboarder set in that they have released 2 pairs of skis, both skinny by today's standards and are going for more of a carving audience than a freeskiing one.

One has to wonder what the impetus behind skiing related R&D is for these snowboard companies?
post #13 of 27
Well ski companies have been making snowboards for years. So why shouldn't snowboard companies get into the ski market. For the most part they are the same beast. One really big fat ski or two skinny (relatively speaking of course) one's... They use the same materials and almost identical manufacturing process.
post #14 of 27
banning snowboards is not discrimination, period! you can still come and enjoy the hill, just not on a snowboard. you cannot access the slopes due to a choice. it is no different than restaurants with a dress code, or rivers regulated to fly fishing only. don't you think the snowboard manufacturers would have brought suit if they had any legal legs to stand on... besides someone on an internet bulletin board saying it's discrimination.

whether it's the right thing to do can only be answered by the owners of the resorts that currently ban snowboards when they look at their financial statements.
post #15 of 27
All you die hard skiers...Pisses you off, doesn't it!!!! Say what you want:marketing, political, etc. Geeezzz, it's just funny! Look, Jake just created more market. And how long will this thread get! And no I don't board.

"If it's too loud, your too old!"
post #16 of 27
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... besides someone on an internet bulletin board saying it's discrimination.
Actually, if you read my post, I did not say it was discrimination. I said we live in a country where a business cannot discriminate (true) yet a ski resort can tell you can't come there based on what you strap to your feet (true).
post #17 of 27
i think snowboarding should be allowed at DV and alta.

but FYI name one thing you can do on a snowboard you cant do on skis....it is an inferior way of getting down the mountain.
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

but FYI name one thing you can do on a snowboard you cant do on skis?

Ride Switch.
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Ride Switch.
Now there's a goofy comment if I ever heard one.

Besides, it's easy to ride switch on skis even though most skiers have the good sense face the direction they're traveling.

I think it's wrong to encourage people to break the law. Personally if people want to slide down the hill on cafeteria trays, that's fine with me, so long as the can do it in control and follow the code. I guess it's easier to ban equipment that's harder for folk to obey the rules on than to enforce the rules. Kinda like banning booze on the beach, instead of just throwing the A**holes in jail when they lose their inhibitions due to drinking too much at the beach.
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
Now there's a goofy comment if I ever heard one.

Besides, it's easy to ride switch on skis even though most skiers have the good sense face the direction they're traveling.
Really? Are you sure you know what 'Switch' is?

Fish On!
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Really? Are you sure you know what 'Switch' is?

Fish On!
Perhaps not. I thought it was skiing backwards. Enlighten me.
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Really? Are you sure you know what 'Switch' is?

Fish On!
elighten us switch would be the same as fakie in skiing same concept just applied to front and back and to one side to ones side.

again snowboarders cant do anything better or different you can do on modern skis. It maybe more fun to the person riding the board to be on a boards but its an inferior riding tool.

carving - easy and faster on a pair of skis

powder - 2 fat skis have more surface area than a board now plus you cant get stuck as easily like a snowboard.

ice - unless your on high end carving board and really good the average person will be better served by skis

park - skiers have for a couple years now made the boarders look like chumps, wish I was half as good as the best park skiers.

also how about getting around the mountain alpine and tele gear is superior in being able to access different parts of a big mountain.

its ironic that boarding caused skiing to become better than boarding but its true.
post #23 of 27
The term 'Switch' refers to changing, or switching, which foot is forward while standing on a board. You can ski 'Backwards', you can't ski 'Switch'.

The term 'Switch' has been adopted to park skiers in an attempt to sound 'cool' (like snowboarders), but they end up sounding dumb... and lame.

Another thing you can't do on skis: 50/50 grind. (I'd LOVE to watch someone try though).
post #24 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks Whiteroom for the information. I was one of those who thought skiing switch was a term generally used in skiing to refer when you ski backwards. So I just did a quick search and this is what I found (plus many more...)

http://www.skinet.com/skinet/videos/...639359,00.html

http://www.niftytricks.com/ski/freestyle/switch.html

http://www.niftytricks.com/ski/frees...offswitch.html

Even the PSIA Freestyle Examiners have it wrong: See below.

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?t...nel=1276198332

I guess that's why I was confused myself and probably many others here.
post #25 of 27
Oh, SNAP. You showed me. I feel silly... almost as silly as I'd feel if I re-started a thread topic that's already been beat to death... or if I titled it with the wrong person's name...
post #26 of 27
Thread Starter 
never mind...
post #27 of 27
BTW Goofy = boarding with the right foot forward as opposed to the regular left foot forward stance.

Same as switch (rotated 180 degrees)

Fish gets away with bait.
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