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Buying the im78 - what length 171 or 177

post #1 of 13
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After a long process of deciding on a ski and driving many people crazy (my apologies up front!) I have decided on the Head im78. The only decision I need to make now is what length. I am 160lbs 5' 10", level 8-9 skier and 70% off piste 30% on. Also, I have entertained the idea of going to the im82, but not sure that ski will be as user friendly??
post #2 of 13
You might find, if you ski both, you won't be able to see any difference. However, maybe in very short turns you might find it easier with the shorter ski. You won't lose much, if any, stability at higher speeds. Go shorter. Bob (PSIA, ski tech, all-around jerk - ORegon)
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Originally Posted by DonT View Post
After a long process of deciding on a ski and driving many people crazy (my apologies up front!) I have decided on the Head im78. The only decision I need to make now is what length. I am 160lbs 5' 10", level 8-9 skier and 70% off piste 30% on. Also, I have entertained the idea of going to the im82, but not sure that ski will be as user friendly??
I skied the 82, very nice ski. I would say the 78 in the 177 and 82 in the shorter length?
post #4 of 13
Consider a Monster 78 in a 171 (that's the size Dawgcatching uses, and he is the same size) or a 172cm size in a Monster 82.

The 78 is more agile and forgiving, the 82 rails at higher speeds.
post #5 of 13
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Thanks for the replies; believe it or not I just bought the watea 84 in a 176. This has been a crazy journey with so many skis to choose from!! I thought it was strange that Fischer only made this ski in a 167, 176 and 184 though. Seems to me they should have one more size in-between the 167 and 176. Anyway I struggled with the length, but in the end decided on the 176 - hope I made the right decision, this is my first midfat...ski shop was pushing the 167.
post #6 of 13
The 176cm Watea 84 will be great. This ski is very light & lively feeling. I've ski the 176 & 184cm. A friend, who is your size, uses the 176cm with great results. Be glad you skipped on the 167cm.

Michael
post #7 of 13
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Good news on the length...can hardly wait to get out and try them! Got the Tyrolia LD12 bindings, any recommendations on where to mount them on the ski - cm forward/back or neutral?
post #8 of 13
I would go neutral; that's my general recommendation. Going forward would reduce stability, going back is probably not going to aid performance either.

Michael
post #9 of 13
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Barrettscv, I just realized that you are the guy that did the review on the watea 84...great review! Why do you think Fischer decided have such a big gap (9cm) from the smallest to their middle size ski? Can you tell me what advantage/disadvantage I will see skiing on the 176 over the 167?
post #10 of 13
Normally Fischer makes skis in 5cm intervals. Its expensive to do this it since it increases tooling costs (more molds are required per model) and reduces the number of units made per size.

Both sizes are quick & agile feeling for a skier your size. The longer ski will feel much more stable at speed and will be far better in soft snow.

The Watea 84 really needs to be used in a longer length than other midfats. Even in the longer sizes it is very quick and agile.

Michael
post #11 of 13
Remember when you are deciding on binding position that neutral is just a spot on the ski and you don't know where it is. If we took that same ski and put the Salomon name on it neutral would be somewhere else.

If you want to get really serious find the centre of the running surface and see how neutral relates to it. Or just try all the positions and pick the one you like.

Lou
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Remember when you are deciding on binding position that neutral is just a spot on the ski and you don't know where it is. If we took that same ski and put the Salomon name on it neutral would be somewhere else.

If you want to get really serious find the centre of the running surface and see how neutral relates to it. Or just try all the positions and pick the one you like.

Lou
Lou, why would the center of the ski change if it had a different manufacturers name on it? Doesn't ea. manufacturer find the center of the ski based on the center of the running surface??
post #13 of 13
Yes the centre of the ski of course does not change according to manufacturer. But mark is for boot centre and it is definitely not ski centre. It is mark made by manufacturer to show techs where boot centre goes and it varies by manufacturer and their brief on how they want their skis to ski.

Lou
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