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Mantra/Gotama versus 8800 Legend

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Started the season with 178cm 8800 Legends for my all mountain/powder ski but with all the snow we're getting at Alta I'm thinking I may need to upgrade to something that floats well.

Wondering if anyone can tell me what would be the primary difference between my 8800 Legends and the Mantra & Gotama's

Specifics:
185lbs, 5'9", aggressive skier,

Issue with 8800 Legends - love the ski for bombing around the mountain but having some front to back issues with not floating well in deep powder. Primary concern is I want a powder ski but one that can handle chopped powder & crud as well.

Thanks for any info!
post #2 of 11
For Alta? Try the Gotamas (at your height you could go either 183 or 190, depending on how hard you charge), and you won't even bother with the other two. Gots do fine on piste/transitions, are stiff enough to handle chop, and have less sidecut than Mantras. Really, they do well enough on piste that I sold my pair of Elan 666s. FWIW, I have the 183s, but I'm taller/lighter than you (6'1"/172).

I forgot to add: I don't think you'd see much difference between 8800 and Mantra float-wise, but you would with Gotamas.
post #3 of 11
I've never skied the 8800, but I own the Mantras and have skied the Gotamas...For Alta go with the Gotamas, although, I think there are a lot better powder boards out there. I had a chance to demo a few and posted this thread:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=61915
post #4 of 11
I have owned all three and still have the Got and Mantra. The Got is a better deep snow ski than the other two. The 88K is a very good ski but out of it's league when compared against the Got for deep snow. I liked the 88K best in the 188 size and there have been binding position issues for me with that ski. I liked to be about 2-3 cm back from boot center mark on all but the last year ('07). Even on the '07 I liked to be somewhat back from the line.

SJ
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks!

Heard the Alta forecast for more powder tonight, possibly 20"+ :, so I scooted to the local shop and picked up some 183 Gotama's with Salomon Z12 TI bindings set 1 cm forward.

I'll post some comments tomorrow after hopefully a day of deep powder.

Thanks for the feedback!
post #6 of 11
Now there's a man who doesn't waste time. You gotta move fast when powder is on the way! So what's the reasoning behind the +1 mount? BTW, I have Z12 bindings on my PEs, and they are nice light binding.
post #7 of 11

Gotama

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
I have owned all three and still have the Got and Mantra. The Got is a better deep snow ski than the other two. The 88K is a very good ski but out of it's league when compared against the Got for deep snow. I liked the 88K best in the 188 size and there have been binding position issues for me with that ski. I liked to be about 2-3 cm back from boot center mark on all but the last year ('07). Even on the '07 I liked to be somewhat back from the line.

SJ
SJ:

Do you have the 08 Got mounted on the X? If not, where? Plus 2 - minus 2?
post #8 of 11
you are going to love them...

i've got 183's w/ dukes..., coming from a 190 explosiv, I LOVE THE GOATs!!!



explosiv still beats it on ice/hardpack hands down though...

(oh..., 6' ~185)



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Originally Posted by RogerH View Post
Heard the Alta forecast for more powder tonight, possibly 20"+ :, so I scooted to the local shop and picked up some 183 Gotama's with Salomon Z12 TI bindings set 1 cm forward.

I'll post some comments tomorrow after hopefully a day of deep powder.

Thanks for the feedback!
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 

Wow!!!!!!!!!

Well all I can say is I'm very, very, very impressed with the Gotama's.

We didn't get the hoped for powder day but since I was curious about the versatility I'd heard about I took them out today anyway.

It has been about 36-48 hours since we got any significant snow at Alta so the conditions were a mixed bag of chopped powder, crud, hard & soft bumps, and some powder stashes in the trees...all in all a good day to test the skis.

Overall evaluation - everything positive that's been said about them in the mag's and on this site is true!

What a pleasant surprise, I had been pretty skeptical about the all-purpose nature of the ski:

In tight steep chutes they were quick & lively with solid edge hold and no sense that I was waiting for the ski's to catch up.

In the chopped powder/crud they just flat motor'ed along. I noticed a significant speed increase from the 8800 Legends and a solid feel with no getting kicked around. Dropping into some bumps they again felt pretty lively...would I haul them out to MaryJane for a day of bump bashing, no but if my other skis were lost by the airlines I'd still use the Got's and have a fun time.

On the occasional groomed run getting to & fro they tracked well and held an edge far better than I expected from a powder ski.

As for the powder, jeez these ski's just ROCK!!!! Float, glide, and cruise at top speed with a sense of control, NO sense that they would dive on me or do anything unexpected. It took some adjustment to just how much quicker I was moving in the trees as these skis fly through where the 8800's would drag and want to submarine.

The 183 length felt just about right for me and my style of skiing ( the 1cm forward position seemed to help with the light & lively feel but that's pretty subjective since I haven't skied them any other position), and the bindings have a nice solid feel stepping into them that I can't say was always true for the Marker's I've been using.

Definitely recommend if you're skiing similar terrain & conditions. We've got more snow inbound for the weekend and with the next five days off I'm looking forward to more good times with the Gotama's.
post #10 of 11
glad you like to them. Just to add to anyone thinking about buying a gotama or mantra. Go with the gotama, its is better at everything than the mantra. Even groomers. The only thing the mantra is better at is medium raduis turns. Gotama do better in every off piste situtation you can think off. Skis groomer better at speed(tips dont chatter like the mantra) and also makes better short turns.
post #11 of 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gotama View Post
SJ:

Do you have the 08 Got mounted on the X? If not, where? Plus 2 - minus 2?
Smackitty dab on the rear X.

SJ
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