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post #91 of 117
I wear a Boeri Shorty Air and after 2 seasons, it is just like wearing a hat -- only warmer and more protective. The best thing about it is that when I wear my .mp3 player, the helmet's added quietness means I don't have to turn the volume up to damaging levels. The flip side of that is that my ear buds are hidden from those I ski and ride chairs with, and they will talk to me without my knowing it or hearing it.

The fashion/hair people who don't wear helmets merely because they are afraid of "helmet hair" or something else simply are Darwin Award candidates waiting for nomination.

As with ww kayaking, mtb riding, road cycling, motorcycling, tackle football, ice hockey and lacrosse, it would be silly to avoid wearing a helmet for "hair" or "fashion" reasons. Get over it, you silly narcissists! [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
post #92 of 117
Gonz,

Speaking of cowboys, does Jim wear a helmet?
post #93 of 117
Quote:
Originally posted by gonzostrike:
The fashion/hair people who don't wear helmets merely because they are afraid of "helmet hair" or something else simply are Darwin Award candidates waiting for nomination.
I always keep a baseball hat in my duffle to solve that problem....
post #94 of 117
CAPBOY writes-

"The one time I wish I had a helmet on was 2/17/87. Skiing a rinky dink mtn in Mass called Brodie. Woke up in the hospital. Still have no clue what happened to this day. Nobody saw what happened, but still very glad I was skiing with people that knew CPR. They found me face down on the side of the trail with bleeding from the ears. You never figure that you are going to need CPR when you are 16 and in great shape, but..."

Mmmm hmm, that sounds like Kelly's Irish Alps syndrome to me...
That place was so boring skiers would routinely just fall over and start bleeding for no reason whatsoever...

post #95 of 117
Quote:
The Mississippi divides the Earth into left and right, does it not? Equestrians on the right, cowboys on the left.
Mmm … there is one escaped cowboy residing east of the Mississippi who quite obviously did not wear a helmet when he was young !!!

Oz
post #96 of 117
As to helmets, as many of you know I am here today because of one & have 2 plates in the head from skiing before one ( these stories can be found in the 10-12 other threads on this beat to death topic). & nolo one of the accidents was me being an idiot & the other was a hooked ski & a tumble.

I am a biased advocate of their use. If you dont feel like it & I do not care deeply for you fine: ski fast take chances.

Do not know why some one would try to persuade others not to wear one.

Any way. I do not think the sport is more dangerous, I think the dangerous parts of the sport are more accessable.
New ski technology is allowing folks not ready yet mentally to ski like pros used to; speed on groomers, energy out of turns, & fatter skis allow access to alot of dicey terrain that was once verbotten. Resorts are also making this terrain more available & easier to get to/from.

[ November 22, 2002, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: matt_davis ]
post #97 of 117
From age 14 to 16 I worked as an orderly at St. Vincent's Hospital in Portland, Oregon. I firmly recommend that anyone who disagrees with helmet use spend one summer in the ER. I still have vivid recollections of a young man who hit a truck, while riding a motorcycle. His skull was so badly fractured he didn't look human. I also remember seeing many bicycle accidents where kids hit objects (trees, friends, etc.). These almost always resulted in at least painful scalp lacerations and sometimes in serious injury like concussion or fracture.

While I hope helmets are never mandated for adults, I wear one when I ski. If we become too safe we may eliminate the Darwin Awards completely, and that would be a tragedy!!! [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]

Mark
post #98 of 117
I've never worn one, but I would not be opposed to it. If I found an inexpensive one that looked cool (yes, it matters!), then I could probably go for it...

EP
post #99 of 117
Quote:
Originally posted by EPSkis:
If I found an inexpensive one that looked cool (yes, it matters!), then I could probably go for it...

EP
Even an expensive helmet isn't that expensive considering how much we pay for all the other equipment and such that goes into the sport. If you're worried about price - try on a bunch to see what fits and then start hunting for sales. You can usually find last year's models pretty cheap. Or try http://www.acidhelmets.com/products.html - they don't do marketing and therefore sell them cheaper. Personally I have a Giro 9, which I love - and which I put a dent in last year smacking into a tree branch. On top of all that, my helmet is comfortable, keeps me warm when it's cold, vents when it's not, and keeps my goggles from fogging up like they used to when I wore a hat. I can't imagine skiing without it anymore.
post #100 of 117
I ski mostly in Europe. These last two seasons I have taken to wearing a helmet because I have been wiped out a number of times by reckless, out of control young french and Austrian skiers slamming into the back of me.
I also like to wear a helmet because it cushions my sensitive ears from bitterly cold wind chill factors and keeps my bonce dry from heavy snow dumps.
There appears to be this misconception in the more popular European ski resorts, that if you are an adult wearing a helmet, you must be either a non-macho paranoid safety conscious rocky mountain skier or a novice skier that has just progressed from the nursery slopes. Unlike many North American ski areas, the promotion and encouragement of safe skiing is not on the top of the priority agenda for things to be discussed - booze, cuisine, high tech bogs and high tech lifts are.. Even many an ecole du ski instructor shoots the helmet wearer an odd glance. Yet last season in Tignes, I came across a dozen accidents, seven of them were obvious head injuries with the tell tale signs of blood soaked snow. One was fatal. If there is any place where the wearing of helmets should be encouraged - It should be in all the French and Austrian alpine ski resorts. [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img]
post #101 of 117
not me:

besides which, I'm aware of a study that determined that serious head injuries were greater with helmeted skiers; the authors reasoned that helmeted skiers may be those that ski faster anyway. Maybe it affects vision or something....whatever.

I do wear full facemask and neck protection; to keep warm, and to keep away from the sharp edges of loose skis. I'd rather cut a bakalava than my skull.
post #102 of 117
This does not reflect my opinion about helmets, such arguments are fruitless - people will do as they choose. But just for your info. I'm one of the few folks out there perhaps who was injured BY a helmet.

I had made the finals for the '97 U.S. Extreme Skiing Championships, was practicing one of my planned lines. Hit a compression that knocked my head forwards. The chin strap and buckle of the helmet compressed my trachea, and I ended up getting a tube stuck down my throat by EMT's so I could breath.

I've had my chin slammed into my chest by compression before, without a helmet, with no problems. Now, its not just that it was a helmet. This was a pre-release model from a company I won't name, because they were intelligent enough to cover all my medical costs and make a very good deal as well. They changed the design so that should not happen again.

But, just as trivia for everybody - I was sent to the hospital *BY A HELMET* [img]smile.gif[/img]

This is not an inditment of all helmets, just a fun oddity!
post #103 of 117
For the typical Epicski skier...

11.20 Atomic Skis - $769

Xentrix 412 Bindings - $249

Salomon/Lange/Nordica All-Mtn. Ski Boots - $499

YOUR HEAD - Priceless
post #104 of 117
Wow, this is one of, if not THE longest threads on the board.
Why? Why isn't there a thread this long on the merits of one resort vs. another or some such nonsense? It's because people don't like being told what to do. Never have, never will. And it's clear that the majority of comments here are pro-lid, so the no-lids speak up a little louder. I was about to diss nolo for just trying to be a wee bit too cool for school when I saw his quote to the effect that without the con, the conversation dies, this is very true (though I do still smell a little excess EGO!) .
My .02, I do the worlds 10th most dangerous job. I wear a hardhat. I'm so used to the feeling of a lid that it's a non issue. But I didn't wear a helmet skiing/boarding til I did one of those mackerel deals and got a nice concussion. Cost: 4 days of work= $1350.00 Boeri shorty air= $90 on sale,
U do the math!
As far as kids in ski school or on the slopes otherwise, they can't make their own decisions, so we need to do that for them. If you can live with the consequences of a severe head injury to your child, then save the $50 for a nice steak dinner. Mine wears a helmet. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] Don't think you can, know you can.
post #105 of 117
Quote:
Originally posted by FlipFlopFly:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TheRockSkier:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Wear the fox hat:
TRS,
Why do you say you never will wear a helmet?
Any particular reason?
WTFH
No particular reason.

I have only ever had one injury that a lid would have prevented (and what is a few stitches between friends!)...oh and a concussion in 1989.
I think the most dangerous years of my skiing life are probably starting to be behind me in terms of putting myself in danger.
I like my woolly hat when it is cold and the wind in my hair when it is warm.

Paradoxically I insisted on getting a bike helmet when I took up road cycling when I was 15.

: </font>[/quote]
</font>[/quote]Just a note that you may find interesting; I did because I too am a bit of an older skier (48). A report by some doctors in Colorado have statistics, they've compiled showing that the older we are, the more serious head injuries are to us. In other words, the same accident at 20 years of age would not be as serious as it would if we were 20, 30, 40 years older.

Something else I've found since I started wearing a helmet is that I'm now warmer than ever, because bmy head is extra warm.

Keep skiing faster! :
post #106 of 117
Quote:
Originally posted by Xdog:
[QB And it's clear that the majority of comments here are pro-lid, so the no-lids speak up a little louder. </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />
Don't think you can, know you can.[/QB]</font>[/quote]"no-lid" here.

Gosh, two years ago, in a similar thread I made the prediction that helmets would soon be madatory because the insurance industry rules the ski industry.

Everyone laughed, but last year it started with kids in NJ.

Unlike driving, skiing isn't a priviledge extended to us by our government - it's still a fun past time. Or should be. We should be allowed to make our own choices.

While many people here feel more comfortable with a fiberglass dome on their cranium, I'm more of a convertable man and enjoy the wind in my hair (or hat). To each their own.
But, PULEEEEZE... just because it make sense for you, don't preach it to the rest of us!
post #107 of 117
No lid here. Don't really know why. I guess because I buy all my equpiment, don't have alot of extra money to spend on a lid, and don't like my hair folicles not breathing.
post #108 of 117
Quote:
Originally posted by Cheap seats:

Unlike driving, skiing isn't a priviledge extended to us by our government - it's still a fun past time. Or should be. We should be allowed to make our own choices.

While many people here feel more comfortable with a fiberglass dome on their cranium, I'm more of a convertable man and enjoy the wind in my hair (or hat). To each their own.
But, PULEEEEZE... just because it make sense for you, don't preach it to the rest of us!
My thoughts exactly. No lid here. I think that if life didn't have any risk it would be no fun, and that goes double for skiing. I try to be aware of the hazards on the mountain and adjust my behaviour accordingly. If you choose to wear a helmet that is fine but if I hear one more story about little Jimmy whose life was saved by his helmet after he got taken out by an evil snowboarder I'll scream.
post #109 of 117
Sorry about the EGO, XDog. Helmets do not bother me, but from my point of view, hearing is impaired, and I have seen people in helmets taking a slide for life in which the helmet contributed to the general slickness of the package.

It's not what's on your head but how you use your head that manages MOST of the risks in skiing. The most important safety equipment you have is your awareness of the risks.

Without awareness and slope smarts, a helmet is probably a very good idea. 'Nuff said.
post #110 of 117
Helmets are just the latest fashion statement, the 'I just got
out of an extreme competition' and I am sooo cool. The fear of injury is the marketing tool used by companies to sell the product.
The lemming factor is high here. The American Lawyer induced fear that one might not live forever, and so precautions must be taken. What's next plastic bubbles that everyone can roll around in so
nothing ever happens to you, except missing out on life. Skiing is a risk, but mostly to your knees, not your head. The number of skier days each year to the number of deaths due to head injuries each year shows that skiing is a lot safer than driving a car. We should all wear helmets in our cars. Perhaps we should wear them all the time, even when we sleep then we might live forever.

[ November 19, 2002, 07:15 AM: Message edited by: pyramid ]
post #111 of 117
Well, let's see.

As in so many other arguments, I'm squarely planted on the fence.

I have a helmet, and I wear it about 50% of the time. I wear it on days that I know I'm going to be cruising groomers. I do that because of hard snow, high speeds, and more potential for a collision with another rider (I guess, although in 30+ years of skiing I've never come close to either hitting someone or being hit). I also wear it when I know I'm going to be skiing closely-spaced trees, such as Deer Valley or Snowbasin.

That said, I don't really like wearing one. I find it too warm and a little "confining". It just seems like I don't have quite as much awareness of what's going on around me when I'm wearing the helmet.

Do I support a law requiring helmet use? Absolutely not. Would I comply if someone actually passed such a boneheaded (pun intended) law? Sure.

Like most everything else, I think each person should make up their own mind and not bother trying to persuade (or dictate to) everyone else.

Bob
post #112 of 117
So do all of you who think helmets are nothing but a fashion statement wear them when you ride a bike? Or a motorcycle? Or is that just a fashion statement too?
post #113 of 117
I have been riding motorbikes for quite a number of years. Some say helmets make for more attractive corpses.
A second view has to do with how much one should spend on their protection.

"If you have a ten dollar head, wear a ten dollar helmet"

The standard I accept is:
1$ for every year of age
$100 for every dependent ( include the spouse even if working)
And five huindred bucks for every time you have fallen off and might have hit your head.

When I did the math, There were no helmets in the market priced so high. I would have had to get some art work on one to meet the dollar value. I boought one that fit my head shape.

I think I will repaint my ski helmet this year. I really want a bright yellow one!

Helmets are just part of the gear. I like mine, and feel a bit naked without.

CalG
post #114 of 117
I have been looking for the right helmet for the last 2 years. Most of the ones I tried were either quite heavy (I got whiplash everytime I fell on my butt with the BELL) or simply did not fit my oversized melon!!

Finally this year : EUREKA! The new GIRO (XLarge) helmet I bought! For spring skiing, the ear muffs easily snap off and the interior isolation can be easily removed leaving the helmet as light and ventilated as a bicycle helmet. Mind you I haven't skied with it yet, but I'm wearing it now as I write the e-mail and it feels pretty good.

PS. My brother bought a Kayak helmet for skiing last year thinking it would be lighter and less hot...However he finds that he has trouble fitting the goggle as the helmet line is lower than true ski helmets...

Well, Gotta go, time for prayer (snow gods!).
post #115 of 117
I'll second Midfatboy on the comfort and all-around stylability of the Giro helmet- it sounds like he has the 9.9, which I just picked up myself. Very light and comfortable. The bottom line for helmets is, if you find one that fits right and feels good, why not? I've never gotten in a car accident, but I still pay my insurance every year (and believe me, in Massachusetts that hurts more than most head injuries ever could). It's not a living-in-fear thing, it's more like buckling your seatbelt. Why not?
I am confident in my ability to make the right decisions, choose the right lines, and push myself when skiing and still stay safe. I wish that I could honestly say the same about everyone else on the hill's abilities. Without making any value judgements as to who was right/who was wrong, do you remember the Colorado court case from 2 years ago over the liftie who, on his way down the mountain, flew off of a hit and ended up with his tip embedded in some guy's brain? I don't know all the details of the situation, not many do- but I think we can all agree that the skier who got dead would have had a lot better chance with a bucket on. Oh, and they're warm and give you a place to put stickers.
post #116 of 117
I guess I've replied to this post more than once, but here it is again: I got a Giro 9.9 last year, mostly to convince my son that everyone - even a 'superskier' like Dad - needs a helmet. It's warmer than my old hat, less itchy, and my goggles fit perfectly. In the spring, I took out the ventplugs and the earflaps and remained comfortable. I wear a helmet when I ski, when I skydive and when I ride my bike. Has it ever saved my life? Yes! I did an over-the-bars at 40 mph on my bike once and wacked the back of my head on pavement. The helmet cracked, but my head didn't. Skiing? No, I haven't actually needed it in the last 40 years, but I don't even realize I'm wearing it, so why not? YOU SHOULD DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO! I like my Giro 9.9, and I put an Epic Ski sticker on it, so if I ever meet a Bear on the slopes he/she can feel free to strike up a conversation! On the other hand, I don't wear a helmet while playing golf (though maybe I should) or tennis! That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it!
post #117 of 117
Quote:
Originally posted by pyramid:
Helmets are just the latest fashion statement, the 'I just got
out of an extreme competition' and I am sooo cool. The fear of injury is the marketing tool used by companies to sell the product.
The lemming factor is high here.
I dont care if you love an exposed melon pyramid, but I dont wear my helmet to prove I am rad or cool. :
Go hiking @ snowmass above & past the green cabin run in the high entry to the cirque dikes, maybe you can see the little bit of scalp, hair, & skull I left there almost exactly 6 years ago.

Choose to do or do not, fine but dont label me a poseur because I am once bitten .............

Oh if ya find a lot time on your hands run by the Aspen Times or Daily News office.
Search the archives (feb 1997) for a Dr. William Rodman quote about a young man who took a huge tumble over rocks & off a cliff who "would not be alive if not for his helmet"

or is that the "lemming factor" you allude to?!?

& if you see a large man in the Tavern in a few weeks in your little town maybe we can discuss this rationally.

Give my love to Jane,
MFD

PS Not sure why you folks rally against helmets. They ABSOLUTELY should not be mandatory, & a simple "I dont wear one because I choose not to" would suffice.
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