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Need a real crud busting cuiser.

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
I am 6'1", 235lbs brave intermediate.:
Speedmacine 10's, RX-8 170'cm and Mojo 90, 176cm,w/15's bindings.
Ski blue runs, western wa.

Which big all mtn ski I should demo?... This is what I've decided I really should get.... I got all the above the last 2 years, and I'm narrowing in on the fact I just want a great all/big mtn ski, width 95-105, to go out and demo, I think its really just the best for me.

My preferences in order. 1) Stability at moderate speeds thru crud field (being 235lbs I can flex solid ski 2) Nible enough, to turn at slower speeds on scraped snow or hardpack. 3) a waist 95-105, say... for a little float/crud bash, and yet still carve down on the groomers with no problem. 4)length 180-190cm for stability, and not try any near misses. 5) ~20m sidecut.

And I suppose it goes without saying: torsionally stiff, not too heavy

I just wondering if my skies are a little soft, and the last thing I need is a park type ski. And I think maybe I've been learning about skis comparing apples to meatloaf, in my case, so I should try to flex which stable skis? Thx.
post #2 of 10
Put the Gotamas (Volkl) on your list to demo. Meets all your criteria except the sidecut is in the upper 20s on my 190s. Very popular ski for good reason. If you want more sidecut, I have heard good things about the Nordica Supercharger line.
post #3 of 10
Look at some the the Stockli Stormriders.
post #4 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks! I suppose I should mention all the skies I am at least aware of... Mantra, Nordica Enforcer (might be the leading canidate), Katana, Elan 888, Im88, stocki storm TT, fisher watea101, (actually I think I know every great ski by the major mfgs., but I don't really know their reputations or historys for types of skiis, really, or the construction details that are somewhat of a giveaway of their performance. (coming from M.E.engr)I'd demo them all, but is tough to get the lengths, and skis side by side, I would guess. But I suspect somebody has a pretty good idea which ski I might like, hope anyway. Thx.

(or thinks they know what I should be on... the ski parameters are really general guidelines for this ski)
post #5 of 10
I'm your size.

The Elan 888 Alu is the ultimate crud buster for a big guy.

The Watea 94 and 101 should be tried, these are great all-mountain skis that an intermediate can rip on.

Volkl Mantra will work too.

I would lose the 176cm MOJO 90, its way too short.

My personal ski for crud is a 183cm Head Monster 82, wider skis should be soft enough for deep powder IMO.

Michael
post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 
Yeah, that's a good point... the ski I'm looking for is not going to be much of a powder ski.. (being 235lb, on a ski thats real stable thru crud at moderate speed). It brings up a question if a good crud ski should float on top of the junk (wide-ish ~100mm) or blast thru it(~85mm)?- and with me on top, in style. Most of the time, IMO its like a foot of tracked out pow-west coast variety, with ruts and bump piles, everywhere, that can sap your energy.... So, I need whatever stiffness it takes to cruise on this stuff, but it appears it remains to be seen, if there's a ski out there, with enough flexibility left for a 18"powder day? I know I don't have any use for a real great powder ski. Does a 235lb'er wanting crud performance 1st, on a ~100 waist, with groomer side cut~low 20m, have any chance for some powder flotation with such a ski?
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by Jasonhawk54 View Post
Yeah, that's a good point... the ski I'm looking for is not going to be much of a powder ski.. (being 235lb, on a ski thats real stable thru crud at moderate speed). It brings up a question if a good crud ski should float on top of the junk (wide-ish ~100mm) or blast thru it(~85mm)?- and with me on top, in style. Most of the time, IMO its like a foot of tracked out pow-west coast variety, with ruts and bump piles, everywhere, that can sap your energy.... So, I need whatever stiffness it takes to cruise on this stuff, but it appears it remains to be seen, if there's a ski out there, with enough flexibility left for a 18"powder day? I know I don't have any use for a real great powder ski. Does a 235lb'er wanting crud performance 1st, on a ~100 waist, with groomer side cut~low 20m, have any chance for some powder flotation with such a ski?


Try a K2 Apache Outlaw, 88 under foot, very damp/stable not twitchy in crud at all. Love my Gotamas in powder but Outlaw great cruiser and better in crud and torn up terrain mainly because very damp ski.
post #8 of 10
I'll offer two recommendations that don't really answer your question, but I think will make you happier in the long run:

1. Go longer. At your size, the Mojo 90s and even the RX-8s are definitely too short.

2. Consider investing in improving your skiing skills instead of (or in addition to) any equipment changes. This site is all about over-analyzing relatively minor differences in construction and specifications. They can make a difference, but working on your own skiing will most likely improve your ability to handle (and enjoy) all different conditions, including crud, much more than switching skis. You might consider saving the price of a new pair of skis and signing up for a series of lessons or one of those intensive, video-review camps.

Just my $.02...
post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 
I think I will take a lesson the next time I head up and maybe skipping a meal once in a while wouldn't hurt :. But, my main question is trying to get at the fact that ski comparisons seem to relate to relatively lighter skier weights, and in the past I've drawn noodles, so I'm thinking longer now (thanks!) and as said already... I'm ready to stand on a real solid one this time.

And don't even get me started on the whole fore/aft balance thing with the boot angle, heel grind, high flexion angle.... I always fall foward hard and yet my quads are dead meat before noon anyway. And squat 545lbs) It sure would be nice to get the right amount of pressure on the tongus without being forward like the hood orniment (as opposed to the front seat)So yeah, longer skis and a lesson outa help!
post #10 of 10
I had some 07 Elan Mag 12 skis, and those were serious crud busters. They were tanks, that could knock small trees out of the way if needed. Very nice, smooth, strong ski with manageable energy. This year's 08 Mag 14 builds on that theme with a wider waist. The 08 Mag 12 has shed a layer of metal compared to last year and is a tad daintier than the 07 Mag 12 I owned. Anyhow, check out last year's Mag 12 or this year's Mag 12 and Mag 14. Nice skis. The Fischer "Heat" series are worth a look too.
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