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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Hi Everyone ,

I am heading out to jackson at the begining of february for 18 days and going to take part in the steep and deep camp I am getting really excited and can't wait but I think I need some new skis !

I currently ski on a pair of 2004 volkl 5* which I absolutely adore in a 161cm they have been great for carving up the piste in europe etc but I went to lake louise/ sunshine for 2 weeks this year and my skiing really took a change in direction I did my first double blacks, I started skiing bumps instead of avoiding them and everything became a lot more fun. Now I never got any fresh in the whole 2 weeks but in the soft stuff my skis were sinking etc probably because they are a little skinny at the waist 68mm.

I have skied powder before just not for a long time now so I really deserve some this year ::

So should I buy some new skis for jackson or hire some and stay with my 5* ?

About my stats

female, 34 years old, 176cm tall, 80kg heavy clothes size usa 10 (its all muscle !) :

So any advice please and recomendations for good shops in Jackson to take advantage of the exchange rate £ - $$$

thanks x
post #2 of 24
Hi Helen - My wife skis same size 5*, also loves them but same issue in pow or crud. If you're going to be out there for 18 days, rental of a good ski will end up costing as much as buying new. Two ideas: Demo a few candidates for a couple of days, then buy one. Or buy a can't miss that everyone likes.

FWIW, I've been at Jackson three times over the past 20 years, 7-10 days each time, have had more than boot top powder exactly two days out of the total. I'd want to be sure of the weather forecast before buying a ski just for deep powder. Might make more sense to buy a more versatile size, you can always rent for that epic dump. (I'm probably just unlucky; sure locals will post now telling you to go for a 110+ waist)

Anyway, best candidates IMO: Volkl Aura in a 177, Head Sweet Fat Thang in 176, Rossignol Scratch Girl BC in 170. You could also go for a unisex ski in a shorter length; women I know like the Salomon Gun or Fischer Watea 94 for more of an all mountain, or the Volkl Gotama for a mostly powder/crud ski that can still handle groomed. Good luck!
post #3 of 24
I've been there twice in the last ten years and been skunked for powder too. Are you looking to get one pr. of skis for the trip or are you also going to take the skis you have?

If you are taking one......I'd suggest something in the low-mid 80mm range.
If you are taking two.....follow the list that Beyond gave you.

SJ
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks beyond and Sierra Jim, I am really a bit clueless in all of this I dont really expect lots of powder if there is any its a bonus but the 5* were bought for the couple of years i did lots of courdroy in europe before I got back into crossing the pond!

I am thinking maybe leave the 5* at home but I have this whole length issue when I learnt to ski I learnt on straight 175/180cm skis and then I bought some k2 carvers back in 1996 (they dont look very curvy now though ! they are a 178cm) in 2003 when I went to Fernie I rented 160's and then I bought my 5* in the 161 So I think I need some more length and a little wider at the waist I just dont know what !
post #5 of 24

steep and deep camp ....ask the gals at tgr

i would imagine they would go a lot wider, and they know jackson well
post #6 of 24
As usual, SJ maintains his skinny ski religion/mythology. A low 80s will not make nearly the difference I suspect you'd want relative to the 5* in highly variable snow - and especially not in powder.

Many, many women are skiing Auras as everyday "all mountain" skis & finding them effective in many types of snow - including groomers. They are my wife's groomer ski of choice. See the several discussions of this ski at Ski Diva. Phat Luvs also jump to mind as a ski working up a positive reputation in its latest incarnation. Other things that come to mind have some similarities to beyond's list. Maybe Salomon Scarlets (as an alternative to the Guns)... Also, you might ask the folks running the camp... And consider posting your question at Divas (if you haven't already) and TGR for some different opinions.

Also, even if it ended up costing a bit more, the hire thing might be worth considering. The rental fleet at Jackson is excellent. Most places I've come across will give you credit toward purchase & I'd expect the same in JH. That way you could play with several of the skis being discussed & see what sings to you under different conditions. The one thing I'd urge you to do is explore some skis in the 90-105 range. There's a whole lot of negative mythology about these...

Unlike several previous posters, I've had very good luck with snow at Jackson. Yeah, some days were crusty nasty groomer days with the lower faces crapped out, etc. But many were boot-top to waist deep powder. And the kids didn't mind being snowed in and forced to ski powder for 2 extra days when they should have been back at school... Nature dishes out what it will...
post #7 of 24
FWIW, I bought a pair of Gotamas to take out west and I just tried them out on the groomers at my local hill, and I would say they do a lot better than just handle the groomed. I was kind of shocked at how easy they were to handle on the hardpack. Fun even. They're pricey, but with the exchange rate, they'd be practically free for you.
post #8 of 24
No religeon, or mythology involved.........just experience.

SJ
post #9 of 24

Also Headed to JH in February 5-10! Also Need Help!

FIRST TIME POSTER!!!! :

Helen,

I'll be out there with my wife and daughter as well as my sister-in-law and her family, but it would be great to say hi to a fellow forum member! Let me know if you're open to it!

I hope you don't mind, but this is a very timely and appropriate post for me as well because I'll be in Jackson Hole and was hoping to get some forum members to help me too. I hope my thread isn't hijacking your thread. If so, please let me know and I'll gladly start another topic.

:


I'm 6' and 190 lbs. I'm 42 years old. I USED to ski aggressively and fast. Being as competitive as I am, it is highly likely I'll want to ski aggressively on this trip. We'll be out there for 5 days (Tue-Sun).

I haven't been on skis in about 10 years. Back then they were thin and striaght K2's at 205 cm.

Right after that ski trip I bought new skis (K2 Three 88's that are 188 cm) and new boots, but NEVER used them. Bummer!

That brings me to today.

Boots
The new "old" boots I have are ok, but they aren't fitted and they seem to have a soft flex. So, I'm strongly considering buying new stiffer boots and getting them fitted by a professional boot fitter listed on epicski.com. I'll bring in my new "old" boots too to get his opinion.
I know, brilliant idea...10 years later.

Rather than buy a pair of boots off ebay or an etailer, I will buy a pair of boots from his shop because he will include the fitting. He has some Tecnica Icon boots from a couple seasons ago he's blowing out below cost.

So, I'll have two pairs of boots: stiffer and fitted boots for challenging runs and softer for taking it easy down the slopes. Does that make sense?

Now for skis
I thought I would use the new "old" K2 Three 88's and boots on the first day to get my ski legs underneath me. Simply skiing piste. Nice and easy.

But, I would buy a new pair of skis to go with my fitted boots when I want to hit the bumps and black diamonds.

I think I need new skis because I don't think the 188 cm K2 Three 88 skis are going to be as easy for me to use off-piste or in the bumps. Maybe someone could voice their opinion of them. The length concerns me the most because it seems like everyone has moved toward shorter skis. Boy how times have changed.

I've looked at some newer skis (Salomon Scream 10 Hot) that I can buy a used pair for about $200 with bindings that are in very good condition. Unfortunately, they are 185 cm.

I think I need a shorter ski if I'm going to be using them for the bumps and off-piste. Any suggestions?

That's why I would GREATLY appreciate some advice for people significantly more knowledgeable than I am. I don't have a lot of money to spend, so I'd rather buy equipment than rent/demo it.

1) Should I take the plunge and get some new equipment?
2) Are the Salomon Scream's the wrong ski for off-piste and bumps?
3) Is 185 too long?
4) If I should get a shorter ski for bumps and off-piste, what length should I buy? Again, I would use the 188 cm K2's for piste and easy days.
5) Should i just buy new boots and try them with the K2's I already have?
6) I found a website that has a lot of very good used ski equipment with various lenghts of skis at AWESOME prices, so I'm not committed to the Salomon skis at 185 cm (though that's the only length they have for the Scream 10 skis). Feel free to give me your advice of a type of ski that would work well in the Rockies and would be a good compliment to the K2 Three 88 skis I already have.
7) Or, let me know I'm approaching this ALL WRONG, and if you were me, you'd do....

Thanks for your help!

Regards,
Mark
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by Aceboympk View Post
FIRST TIME POSTER!!!! :

Thanks for your help!

Regards,
Mark
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Originally Posted by Helen ls View Post
Hi Everyone ,

I am heading out to jackson at the begining of february for 18 days and going to take part in the steep and deep camp I am getting really excited and can't wait but I think I need some new skis !

I currently ski on a pair of 2004 volkl 5* which I absolutely adore in a 161cm they have been great for carving up the piste in europe etc but I went to lake louise/ sunshine for 2 weeks this year and my skiing really took a change in direction I did my first double blacks, I started skiing bumps instead of avoiding them and everything became a lot more fun. Now I never got any fresh in the whole 2 weeks but in the soft stuff my skis were sinking etc probably because they are a little skinny at the waist 68mm.

I have skied powder before just not for a long time now so I really deserve some this year ::

So should I buy some new skis for jackson or hire some and stay with my 5* ?

About my stats

female, 34 years old, 176cm tall, 80kg heavy clothes size usa 10 (its all muscle !) :

So any advice please and recomendations for good shops in Jackson to take advantage of the exchange rate £ - $$$

thanks x
Mark and Helen: Welcome to both of you and I hope we have great conditions for you.

Comments for each of you:

You'll BOTH most likely want different skis. Helen, because the 5* is a great piste and *moderate* crud ski, but it's just not wide enough for the powder and variable crud you're likely to experience at the steep camp. Mark, becasue the old (which was actually a "new" resurrected model at the time you got it) K2 Three is just too long and too narrow for this mountain for someone who hasn't skied in ten years. It would be "okay" (at best) for sliding around on groomers but the more modern skis are so much better it just defies description.

For both of you:

The ski shop (Jackson Hole Sports) at the top of the Bridger Gondola has a GOOD demo plan. You can ski any demo ski in their shop (I think K2, Atomic, Fischer, Rossi and I'm not sure what else) for $10.00 per hour. That is cheap given you have the opportunity to try out models and lengths to your heart's content. Take advantage of that - it's a great deal.

At the base of the ski hill, please try out some skis at Teton Village Sports. That's the shop I'm affiliated with and they have an excellent staff and really, really good demos. HEAD (that's me), Volkl, Rossi, and Salomon. Also, their bootfitters are outstanding.

Helen: for you, I would suggest something fairly wide to augment your Volkls. Given that you love the way the 5* skis, I would at least encourage you to try out the Head iM88. It skis very much like a race ski but with enough width to be pretty floaty in deeper snow and it's an absolutely killer crud ski. The Volkl Gotama and Aura are worth a try, as is the Rossi B93 and the Salomon Sandstorm. I'm nowhere near as familiar with the Atomic, K2, and Fischer wide skis, so you'll have to do a little research on those.

Mark: The Rossi B3, the Salomon X Wing Fury, the Head iM82, and the Volkl Mantra and AC 40 would all be good ones to try. All of those models would ski circles around your Threes (sorry to say).

Mark: The Icon is a good boot. If you can get a great deal on it and it FITS you, go for it. Leave the other boots under the bed in your hotel room. If you need boot work while you're here in Jackson, it's worth checking in at Teton Village Sports to see Kurt, Eric, or Jen (Jennifer).

Helen: I think that deal at the Motel 6 is about as good as you'll find here. Just for kicks, check to see what you can get comparably at the Wagon Wheel Village - 307-733-2357 (for some reason their website is under construction) or at the Hostelx.

Both of you have fun, okay?

Our skiing is superb right now.
post #11 of 24
Helen Is,
Come on over to The ski diva site. There are a lot of equipment reviews specifically for women. Snow Hot just reviewed the new Blizzard Titan EOS this week.
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post

Helen: for you, I would suggest something fairly wide to augment your Volkls. Given that you love the way the 5* skis, I would at least encourage you to try out the Head iM88. It skis very much like a race ski but with enough width to be pretty floaty in deeper snow and it's an absolutely killer crud ski. The Volkl Gotama and Aura are worth a try, as is the Rossi B93 and the Salomon Sandstorm. I'm nowhere near as familiar with the Atomic, K2, and Fischer wide skis, so you'll have to do a little research on those.



Helen: I think that deal at the Motel 6 is about as good as you'll find here. Just for kicks, check to see what you can get comparably at the Wagon Wheel Village - 307-733-2357 (for some reason their website is under construction) or at the Hostelx.

Both of you have fun, okay?

Our skiing is superb right now.
Helen, I can't top the advice given here, nor that that I posted on SnowHeads.
Spindrifts wife skis the Aura and has given it a great review.
Still, I love my Eos!

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Originally Posted by perma-grin View Post
Helen Is,
Come on over to The ski diva site. There are a lot of equipment reviews specifically for women. Snow Hot just reviewed the new Blizzard Titan EOS this week.
Awe shucks. You read my review? It was one of the funnest I've done.
post #13 of 24

Thank You!

Bob: Thank you for your excellent advice! I sent you a PM.

Helen: Thank you again for starting this thread. Have a wonderful time! I hope we have great conditions.

Regards,
Mark
post #14 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thankyou everyone who has posted replies I am off to make a list and then plan my demoing to find my self some nice shiny new skis

I am so excited about going on holiday I have only ever skied in the usa once before which was copper mountain back in 1999 so I am really really hyper about this trip .....

Mark - I hope we have great conditions too and if you want to meet up for a beer just let me know !
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by Helen ls View Post
Thankyou everyone who has posted replies I am off to make a list and then plan my demoing to find my self some nice shiny new skis

I am so excited about going on holiday I have only ever skied in the usa once before which was copper mountain back in 1999 so I am really really hyper about this trip .....

Mark - I hope we have great conditions too and if you want to meet up for a beer just let me know !
If you have only ever been to ski in the US once, then you are in for a real treat!

I'm dieing to hear about your demo time!
I love trying new skis!!!
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by Helen ls View Post
Hi Everyone ,

I am heading out to jackson at the begining of february for 18 days and going to take part in the steep and deep camp I am getting really excited and can't wait but I think I need some new skis !

I currently ski on a pair of 2004 volkl 5* which I absolutely adore in a 161cm they have been great for carving up the piste in europe etc but I went to lake louise/ sunshine for 2 weeks this year and my skiing really took a change in direction I did my first double blacks, I started skiing bumps instead of avoiding them and everything became a lot more fun. Now I never got any fresh in the whole 2 weeks but in the soft stuff my skis were sinking etc probably because they are a little skinny at the waist 68mm.

I have skied powder before just not for a long time now so I really deserve some this year ::

So should I buy some new skis for jackson or hire some and stay with my 5* ?

About my stats

female, 34 years old, 176cm tall, 80kg heavy clothes size usa 10 (its all muscle !) :

So any advice please and recomendations for good shops in Jackson to take advantage of the exchange rate £ - $$$

thanks x
my two daugthers: both about 5'8/135-140 ski AC4 in jackson: both 170cm. there are both level 9 out of 10 skiers and in very good shape

my wife, 8/10 skis 163 AC4

myself 6'1 /190 lbs 9 out of 10: 184cm AC40

AC4 is probably one of the best tolls for conditions which are likely to be at JH
post #17 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helen ls View Post
Hi Everyone ,

I am heading out to jackson at the begining of february for 18 days and going to take part in the steep and deep camp I am getting really excited and can't wait but I think I need some new skis !

I currently ski on a pair of 2004 volkl 5* which I absolutely adore in a 161cm they have been great for carving up the piste in europe etc but I went to lake louise/ sunshine for 2 weeks this year and my skiing really took a change in direction I did my first double blacks, I started skiing bumps instead of avoiding them and everything became a lot more fun. Now I never got any fresh in the whole 2 weeks but in the soft stuff my skis were sinking etc probably because they are a little skinny at the waist 68mm.

I have skied powder before just not for a long time now so I really deserve some this year ::

So should I buy some new skis for jackson or hire some and stay with my 5* ?

About my stats

female, 34 years old, 176cm tall, 80kg heavy clothes size usa 10 (its all muscle !) :

So any advice please and recomendations for good shops in Jackson to take advantage of the exchange rate £ - $$$

thanks x

BTW: for you probably 163 would be better unless you are planning a fast progress then 170
post #18 of 24

Urgent Correction!!!!

In a post higer up in this thread, I stated that the Bridger Gondola top station ski shop had a demo program for $5.00 per hour. I just found out today that is INCORRECT.

I talked with the manager of that shop and he told me that what we were told in a ski school meeting a couple of days ago was wrong. The demo program is $10.00 per hour, NOT the $5.00 per hour I had put in the earlier post.

I've gone in and edited that post to include the correct pricing and I apologize to anyone who was unintentionally left with the wrong information. $10.00 isn't bad, but it's nowhere near the steal that I throught they were offering. They do have a great selection of Fischer, Atomic, Salomon, and Elan skis, so it might be worth checking in there.

Sorry for the wrong info.

Also: aceboympk... I'll reply to your pm shortly. Things are a little hectic around here right now.
post #19 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks Bob for the info but I am sure 10$ spent on demoing is better than 100's of $$$ wasted on ski's which I havent tested

Thanks again helen x
post #20 of 24
Bob,

Thank you for the correction. That's a bummer because I just told my wife that I WASN'T going to buy her skis for Christmas. It made more sense to demo skis for $40/day. Now its $80/day per person. Oh well, what can you do but focus on having fun! I'm going skiing for the first time in 10 years and this is our first ski trip together and as a family!

I plan on getting my boots here though. I will have them tweeked there if necessary. Does your shop work on any boots, or just the manufacturers that you sell in the shop?

Regards,
Mark
post #21 of 24
The demos Bob is talking about are a great set-up. Just being at the top is a big psychological plus -- hop on and go. And the by-the-hour, instead of a bigger commitment. I was on brand new skis, but I was still tempted to try some "just because." I only skipped it, because what would I do if I really liked them?

I hope they are doing good business.
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
As usual, SJ maintains his skinny ski religion/mythology. A low 80s will not make nearly the difference I suspect you'd want relative to the 5* in highly variable snow - and especially not in powder.
...

You might demo some fat skis before you go too wide. My wife skis any conditions, steeps, powder, crud, and is always wandering into the woods looking for something untracked, but she has absolutely hated every really fat ski she has tried. She uses an Atomic M:ex these days in powder (84mm), but has some skinnier skis she likes as well.
post #23 of 24
I also don't like the really fat skis. My everyday ski in Jackson is a 170 Nordica Jet Fuel. It is 84mm underfoot. I have some Sugar Daddys 184 (rock skis), Tele Daddys 172 (tele skis), and Janaks 172 (Randonee skis) that are 98mm. I don't think I want anything fatter and don't even like the 98mm most of the time. The truth is that the deep powder turns to crud and soft bumps really fast out here. Get a ski for that and the powder will take care of its self. Some of the other skis I was looking at for being versatle were... Volkl AC4 and Dynastar Mythic Rider. I would also like to check out the Nordica Afterburner which is the same as my Jet Fuel, but without the 2 sheets of metal. They might be better in the softer snow, or at least require a little less attention then the Jet Fuels in bumps. I would also like to try some Heads, but Bob has seen how much I like the rocks and might not let me on his. You are going to have a great time in the Steep & Deep.

I am 5'10 165 lb and 44 years old. If You had told me at the begining of last season that I would spend good money on a 170 I would have laughed in your face. In my opinion you don't need a lot of length. I used to ski really long and don't miss it at all. Even in Powder.
post #24 of 24
The topic of how wide is too wide has been argued in multiple threads before. PhysicsMan even posted a calculation on how much float for different weight. It turns out, float is already at-a-plenty for skiers at the light-weight end!

So, forget about more width for float. You don't need to float all the way to the moon.

At around 80mm, that little bit of extra width helps lateral stability in the soft and uneven snow. Beyond that, too much width ends up being negative because you're now being affected by stuff that aren't even UNDER your feet!

So, Helen ls, start with the first 2 respond. No need to go overboard with width.
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