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post #31 of 39
12/23/07 at 5:25pm
Boots. I put a liner in my soft AT boots with a thick, stiff back that really cranked me forward, but those boots offered no support in the front. Man did that set up waste my thighs! A fairly straight boot with a stiff front can really help.
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post #32 of 39
12/23/07 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by loboskis View Post
40carb , 30 protien , 30 fat if your eating Zone
Thanks, but I meant on the 'muscle hydrator'. Sounded carbo-loaded the way JZ described it.
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post #33 of 39
12/24/07 at 3:20am
Hey comprex! I think Creatine has little or no calories at all.
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post #34 of 39
12/24/07 at 5:29am
The supplement I was looking at was 100% ionized Creatinine Phosphate. There are many different formulations.

The research that I've done is sketchy. Rock hard clinical evidence seems to be short on this stuff. Many of the research articles are also paid endorsements.

These articles give some perspective.

http://www.absolute-creatine.com/creatine.htm
http://www.absolute-creatine.com/2.htm
http://www.absolute-creatine.com/4.htm

The 10lbs weight gain could have been from the Junior Bacon Cheeseburgers.
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post #35 of 39
12/24/07 at 7:50am
conventional wisdom is that being in the back seat is the cause of quad fatigue, but it's not the only possibility.

The worst thigh burn I ever had was from skiing on som old slalom skis with the bindings too far back and getting really far forward to compensate and pressure the tips. The day had a lot of mogul-like slush piles, and I spent a few hours hammering the ski tips into the slush piles to crank out tight slalom turns. Result was that while the piles helped load the tips and crank out the tight turn they also exerted considerable drag. The constant force of the quads trying to advance the feet forward and taking the extreme loads with the shins far forward did wear me down (age happens ).

My prescription is to spend a couple of hours three times a week doing very intense hard slalom turns on a short radius ski. That ought to fix you up.
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post #36 of 39
12/24/07 at 9:09am

Quad Exhaustion

These are all great responses!

From Philpug - I know Dan Egan -- great guy! I'll have to talk to him about the oxygen/breathing part and see how he maximizes that technique. Also, I would bet the lactic acid is a fairly large part of the cramping I experience, so I'll certainly go for the Cal/Mag/Zinc angle and see if that helps.

So, no to the sugars eh? I read one tele guy would drink a double mixing of Kool-aid in addition to water and be good to go.

The Creatine Phosphate also warrants some investigation and experimenting. I appreciate the suggestions!

Hope everyone has a snowy, great Holiday!! I'll be keeping an eye on this thread to see if anyone has additional suggestions. Thanks all!
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post #37 of 39
12/24/07 at 9:28am
Another thing from my weight training days to look into is BCAA (Branch Chain Amino Acids.) I still have a tub and have never used it for skiing, but when I was lifting it was highly recommended.
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post #38 of 39
1/9/08 at 12:46pm
Regarding the stance issue: just experiment with pulling your feet back beneath you. Most skiers are at least partly in the backseat some, if not most of the time. A centered, balanced stance will often feel to people as if their feet were slightly behind them. It tends to be counterintuitive. It's common to begin skiing slightly back, particularly if you haven't been skiing in awhile. You need to experiment with it until you find the stance that facilitates balancing and movement. A good rule of thumb is whenever sthings aren't working right for you, when skiing is taking too much effort, when your skis aren't turning for you the way they should, experiment with pulling your feet back. Never imagine yourself "getting forward". Its just a dysfunctional visualization that a reasonable person would normally avoid doing.
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post #39 of 39
4/1/08 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
I'm surprised noone else has said this yet.

If you are at all in the backseat it puts a lot of pressure on your quads. If you stand up a little more, keep your hips, shoulders and head over your feet you use your skeleton to support you. If you bend at the waist, bend your knees too much, or in other ways let your skis get out ahead of you, you need to use your quads to support you.

My stance has greatly improved in the last couple of years and I no longer get the early season quad soreness I used to always get.
So no bend at the waist? not too much bend in the knees?

I get the burn usually on the crud,off trail stuff, I'm sure it is backseat.

Anybody have photos of proper balance vs. improper?
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